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    Cruising dvd update

    Well not the greatest news.Yet since there hasn't been much going on since the original mention of the petition.I did get some news,nothing much...but here it is.



    I recieved a reply from AnchorBay. They said that there is a possiblity of a uncut SE release if they got their hands on it,that is. Of course they have to find out who owns the rights at the moment & the price . If the price is to high,then most likely they will have to ignore it much like asking Paramount for the rights of their films. Yet if there is enough request it stands a good enough chance as any film & could make for a interesting release if it ever happens.





    Now i noticed the film is a United Artist release...which means.....it could be owned by Warner Bros(who released the now OOP 1990's vhs release) or MGM. I still have yet to hear a thing from them. If only there was another way to contact William Friedkin,other than his website...which you will not get a reply back obviously( i tryed a few times). yet i don't know any other way,so will give that a rest for now,unless by luck,i am able to get in contact with a personal assistant or something.

    Of course he's busy working on SE's for a couple films & so on. Maybe thats a good sign? I mean...once he's done with the To Live & Die In L.A. SE release. Maybe he could also be aiming for a uncut SE of Cruising...if he can convince the studio that is?


    Still..i'll keep trying. Posted the petition link on a few forums to spread the word.Always get a divided response..& alot are to afraid to be for it,because of it's controversy..thus not many people signed it

    I expected that. Yet will not give up...& hope to see it get a restored complete release someday



    http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Vixens02/petition.html

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    I remember that discussion quite well, and I can't believe I neglected to sign the petition in the first place. Oh well, I signed it now (Number 82) and hopefully, we'll get a decent release, or any release at all for that matter!

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    Thanks for the update, Christina. As always, it's appreciated. Hopefully something will get done.

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    I'm looking forward to this one coming out. Hopefully it will be soon. Since it was United Artists that released the film back in the day, I suspect that MGM owns the rights to it. I also can't wait for TO LIVE AND DIE IN L.A. to finally come out. It's about time.

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    Your welcome......


    I also decided to contact Blue Underground just in case they may be interested & try to get something done considering other studio's may take forever with it.

    If MGM has it...then we can expect it on dvd eventually...but a fully restored uncut release would help the film out im sure...since the current release is a incoherent jumping all over the place mess. Yet lucky for me,i'm more open minded & look at the film with the cuts in mind

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    Originally posted by Christina Valentine
    Your welcome......


    I also decided to contact Blue Underground just in case they may be interested & try to get something done considering other studio's may take forever with it.

    If MGM has it...then we can expect it on dvd eventually...but a fully restored uncut release would help the film out im sure...since the current release is a incoherent jumping all over the place mess. Yet lucky for me,i'm more open minded & look at the film with the cuts in mind
    If there really is an uncut version of this film available I'd sure love to see it. I understand the reason for the studio to want to make the cuts but it would be nice to see the film the way the director intended, the way all films should be seen.
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    Yeah....i read a hilarious interview with the director about the cuts.


    Since i can't find the sight it was on right now.Heres a quick run down of what i remember.


    Basically he & the producer invited the head of the ratings board over for dinner since they knew him. he's a really close minded,uptight kind of guy. They watch the uncut version of the film,he's getting ver uncomfortable durring the film & freaks out in disgust when it's over & says "X...theres not enough X's for it,you'll need 50,000 X's to rate 'this'!" when asked what he thought it would get rated by the board.
    So they talk him down,the producer putting on a act of "Please you can't do this to me,my whole life is in the film,i have a family to raise & if this film isn't a success..i'm ruined!" so he calms down a tiny bit & says "I may be able to help you out here" & tells them to contact some guy who's fee is $1000 a day to help cut the film down to what he thinks is 'acceptable'. Well Friedkin thought he'd be alright..since the guy helping cut the film is the same one who helped with The Exorcist which got by the MPAA with no cuts!

    Well soon it was taken out of his hands...& they started hacking away at the film...long before submitting it to the MPAA!

    He was angry about that..so to fight back in a sneaky way....he inserted a couple hardcore gay sex footage'subliminal' shots in a few scenes that not many peope would notice anyway(though some claim to have seen it by slow motioning..though i still have yet to..is it just a urban legend?)...& soon the butchured film was shown to the MPAA & got a R on first pass with no cuts,they didn't even notice the sublinmal shots!

    Then he say's he'd love to get the restored version released...since maybe people would understand it more since huge chunks of important things where cut out...including a ending that isn't so confusing as in the film since all the key footage was removed..that your left wondering "huh?" at the very end.



    Which makes me wonder. If the cut version was passed with no cuts for ratings reasons...even though many people claim it's 'to far' & "revolting' to be R rated in current form. Theres a chance the MPAA would have given the full uncut version an R. Yet all because of one uptight person...it was butchured!

    At least..thats what the director states happened.





    Anyway...i'd love to see the real version to make up my own mind on the film. + Will always keep trying

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    I've never seen this film, but being a Pacino fan I think I should. How is Al in this one, anyway?

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    Originally posted by Troy Howarth
    I've never seen this film, but being a Pacino fan I think I should. How is Al in this one, anyway?
    I have to tell ya...if you liked him in SERPICO, you'll love him in CRUISING.
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    Cool... Pacino's at his best these days in INSOMNIA and SIMONE - he had been giving a lot of OTT performances as of late.

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    Originally posted by Christina Valentine

    Anyway...i'd love to see the real version to make up my own mind on the film. + Will always keep trying
    Awesome story, Christina. Now, I'm about as determined as you are to see the uncut version.
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    Definitely thanks for the info, Christina. I had no idea this film was so seriously cut, since it really is very rough in its current form.

    I do recall thinking "Huh??" at the end, so I'd surely buy an uncut DVD.

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    Your welcome.....oh forgot to mention.It was cut by 40 minutes!


    All footage meant to be in the film itself..not stuff that was left over in the workprint & cut at the last minute. So thats alot of missing footage.

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    Well hopefully the footage is out their somewhere. It's bound to be lieing around in a vault,wasting away. So if found..just restore it to as good as possible condition & voila..uncut version is released

    + the film's grimy quality did add to the gritty disturbing look & feel of the film.So it doesn't have to look perfect & pristine in my opinion.




    + If the cut footage because of the production code from King Kong & Frankenstein can be found & restored decades after release. I'm sure this now 22 year old film stands a chance. Then again the same thing happened with C.H.U.D. & the AB dvd only restores what little footage still existed(about 5-10 minutes worth). Of course C.H.U.D. was released by a indie-studio,not a major. So who knows.

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    I found this very negative article on the film. Though some of the stuff i have a hard time believing(such as the mention of a 'gay massacre' at the end by the 'hero'),unless their was proof,since i'm sure people made up quite abit about the film upon filming to get everyone riled up,like what happened with Last Temptation of Christ.

    Either way..it would make a great & interesting documentary i'm sure,if their's enough footage from the time! Hmm i'm just having tons of ideas,lol. Seriously..that would be a great thing to try,yet not sure if anyones up for going to the trouble to document it?

    Well if no one else is.Then if i ever get into film..maybe i'll attempt to get something done





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    Basic Impediment :
    "Cruising" William Friedkin's 1980 Film
    "Cruising" William Friedkin's 1980 Film
    Still Rankles Queer Nerves
    Still Rankles Queer Nerves
    by David Ehrenstein
    (Bay Area Reporter, Vol. xxV No. 19, May 11, 1995)

    _ _ _ _ Imagine that The Eternal Jew was revived at a local cinema not as a cautionary example of the sort of anti-Semitic propaganda ground out in the Nazi era, but rather as a work "conceived and born of a time too timid to deal in harsh realities." _ The Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai Brith would put out an all-points bulletin, armies of protesters would surround the theater, and you'd never hear the end of it.

    _ _ _ _ Cruising, William Friedkin's 1980 exploitation thriller about a serial killer stalking the leather bars and sex clubs of New York, is being revived in a newly struck 35mm print at the Roxie Cinema starting May 12 and continuing through the 18th. _ And no, it's not being advertised as exemplifying Hollywood at its most virulently homophobic. _ Rather the Roxie management has chosen to hail it as a film "conceived and born of a time too timid . . ." etc., see above.

    _ _ _ _ Back in 1979 when Cruising went into production, hundreds of supposedly "timid" gays and lesbians erupted in widespread protests against its making. _ Will there be even so much as a peep out of their successors today? _ Don't bet on it.
    _ After decades of struggle, the gay and lesbian movement is stagnant -- and for all intents and purposes -- powerless. _ To judge from Out or The Advocate, the "coming out" of formerly closeted billionaires David Geffen and Sandy Gallin is more important that grass roots activists fighting the anti-gay initiatives of the radical right.

    _ _ _ _ Add to that the fact that neo-conservatives have successfully hijacked the first amendment; using it as a club to silence progressive voices by labeling them either "politically correct" killjoys or (when that won't work) "thought police" comparable to (you guessed it) the Nazis. Protest Cruising? _ Hell, people lining up around the block to buy tickets is more likely.

    _ _ _ _ An entire era has passed since Cruising first appeared, and a new generation of gays and lesbians has come along. _ Many of them revel in turning up their noses at protests past. _ Growing up with AIDS as an everyday fact of life, they've also developed a queasily prurient interest in the "before time" -- associating it with unfettered personal freedom, and the alleged bliss of condom-free sex. _ Reviving Cruising for such ready-made consumers is consequently one honey of a "niche" marketing ploy. _ The film's new "target" audience is too young to remember the activists of yore. _ And besides, all that marching and screaming is just so "five minutes ago," isn't it? _ But then it's always easy to return to the scene of the crime once you know that most of the witnesses are dead.

    _ _ _ _ "I thought it was so accurate," gushes self-styled queer punk filmmaker Bruce LaBruce (Super 8 1/2) of Friedkin's film in a recent issue of Planet Homo -- striking the proper "badboy" pose. _ But as anyone who actually hung out in the West Village in the allegedly freewheeling 70's knows, Cruising is about as "accurate" as Mondo Cane.

    _ _ _ _ Based on the 1970 novel by New York Times reporter Gerald Walker, the film's plot is exceedingly slim. _ A straight cop (Al Pacino) is assigned by his superior (Paul Sorvino) to go undercover and investigate a series of grisly unsolved murders of gay men (the opening shot features a severed limb floating in New York Harbor). _ Fairly early in the film a suspect (Richard Cox) emerges, complete with a motive -- an overbearing father who couldn't face the truth about his son's sexuality.
    _ But no sooner has this been established than things get murky. _ Hints are dropped that more than one killer may be involved. _ Cops initially introduced as straight start showing up in gay bars. _ And as the film lurches towards its finale, we're given reason to believe that the hero -- about whom we know no more than the fact that he has a girlfriend (Karen Allen) -- may indeed be the killer.
    Preposterous premise

    _ _ _ _ For anyone familiar with the history of New York's West Village, Cruising's premise is simply preposterous. _ Thanks to a series of laws introduced in the post World War II period under mayor Wagner's administration, bars that catered to "sexual degenerates" were subject to fines and closure. _ As a result, the Mafia took them over. _ When the police threatened to close a bar, the mob paid them off. _ When payments weren't forthcoming, bars were raided. _ On one such raid in June of 1969, the patrons revolted.

    _ And so the "Stonewall" rebellion, credited with giving birth to the modern gay/lesbian rights movement, was born. _ For Cruising to assert that a West Village cop needed to go "undercover" to find out what was going on in West Village gay bars is ludicrous in the extreme. _ They knew perfectly well. _ They simply didn't care. _ Serial murders of gay men in the West Village were ignored until the early 1970's, when gay activists began complaining to authorities. _ And even then action was minimal. _ The murder sprees of the 60's (which inspired the novel) and the 70's (which inspired the film) remain unsolved to this day.

    _ _ _ _ But Friedkin's film is no more interested in historical truth than it is in the whys and wherefores of murder mystery storytelling. _ You don't have to get much past the first reel to see that. _ Cruising is nothing more than an exercise in slumming designed for straights anxious to know what "they" do in "their" after-hours leather bars and sex clubs. _ While there's no mistaking the fact that Friedkin's army of extras didn't need anyone to yell "action" to get the orgy scenes started, the wily auteur makes sure to keep explicit doings just out of camera range to get an R rating. _ Aping the quick-cut editing style of Nicholas Roeg (Performance, Don't Look Now) Friedkin serves up a 102-minute peep show filled with more leering facial close-ups and sinister shadows than Freaks, White Zombie and Island of Lost Souls put together. _ But those 30's era horror classics show infinitely more compassion towards their subjects than this quasi-"snuff" extravaganza, where murder is seen as the truest expression of gay sex. _ Don't expect a watch-cry of "Are we not men?" from Friedkin's grunting groping faceless mob. _ This is a horror film. _ And we are the monster.

    _ _ _ _ On July 16, 1979, just before principal shooting began, columnist/activist Arthur Bell wrote in The Village Voice that Cruising "will negate years of positive moment work and may well send gays running back into the closets and precipitate heavy violence. . .I implore readers. . .to give Friedkin and his production crew a terrible time if you spot them in your neighborhood."

    _____


    Note-Article is to long..so i had to divide it in two...hopefully the 2nd half shows up. Said can't post again withing 60 seconds when i tryed,so not sure if it will or not.

    Last edited by Jennifer S.; 10-09-2002 at 08:39 AM.

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