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    Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    I'd like a discussion, it's obviously a Catholic thing, but it works.

    Anyone got any ideas?

    The obvious are:

    1. The women are beautiful and well, feminine.
    2. They dress well
    3. The Vatican?
    4. Un repressed memories of the ancient Roman 'orgies'?
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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    Do you mean real hardcore xxx features? Because I find Italian xxx films the exact opposite of sexy. Most of D'Amato's xxx films are even more unwatchable than his regular films. I find most of it cold and gross, with (as Alyss puts it) way too many unattractive hairy guys in it, it's like nation of Ron Jeremys fucking Ginger Lynns.

    In the 70s the French seem much better but from what I've seen most Europorn even from the classic period is missing the narrative interest and intensity of the best of US porn. I think the fact that the US pornographers had to come up with some semblance of a story to avoid obscenity charges ironically makes their films more interesting to watch these days, although the Euro films generally look a lot slicker. The Europeans could get away with more stuff like fisting and watersports but the vast majority of their features are just a bunch of very long sex scenes. Seems the really extreme stuff was in their loops.

    If you mean Italian softcore, that is appreciably sexier imo, but also a bit boring, although I guess that isn't really the question. Nevermind.
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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Thomas G View Post
    Do you mean real hardcore xxx features? Because I find Italian xxx films the exact opposite of sexy. Most of D'Amato's xxx films are even more unwatchable than his regular films. I find most of it cold and gross, with (as Alyss puts it) way too many unattractive hairy guys in it, it's like nation of Ron Jeremys fucking Ginger Lynns
    I take your point with the old fat guys fucking young sexy women, there's also fucked up incest and alot of scenes with women getting fucked in churches or under pictures of saints...but they wear these fucken sexy knickers and shit..there's this pother guy Salieri i think it is, who makes these generally cold porn films, but occassionally these god crazy mad sexy. Selen is an exceptionally hot Italian porn actress, alot of them aren't Italians, but Hungarian.
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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    Generally, in terms of modern porn. I like what I've seen of French, Italian, and even German porn much more than the crap we flood out from the USA (because I think the women, sex, and cinematography are sexier), but nothing tops the classic American stuff for me.

    The only reason I watch American porn is Diamond Foxxx, and weirdly I hate plastic surgery, but she makes it work....


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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    I like pre-1985 Italian softcore porn/erotica/whatever. It isn't always necessarily that sexy (I don't think anyone is too turned on by the equine masturbation scene in "Emanuelle in America"--and if they are, I don't want to know about it). But they ARE real movies and they're interesting, and you don't feel like you're just wasting your life watching allegedly attractive, plastic-surgery disaster victims having mechanical, emotionless sex with each other.

    Aside from the less anorexic (if no less artificial) Italian actresses and the opportunity to hear orgasms being unconvincingly faked in a foreign language, post-1985 Italian XXX seems exactly like post-1985 American XXX to me. But really the only movie I've seen is a collection of clips called "Lili Carati Goes Hardcore" featuring the former Miss Italy runner-up who ended up in hardcore. But even she made some much more interesting softcore/sexploitation movies on her way to the bottom like "Being Twenty", "Copenhagen Nights",and D'Amato's "The Alcove". I liked some D'Amato films, but he made all his 90's XXX "movies" in about a day, shot on VHS. They just seem like a big waste of time to me.

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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Ellis View Post
    I like pre-1985 Italian softcore porn/erotica/whatever. It isn't always necessarily that sexy (I don't think anyone is too turned on by the equine masturbation scene in "Emanuelle in America"--and if they are, I don't want to know about it). But they ARE real movies and they're interesting, and you don't feel like you're just wasting your life watching allegedly attractive, plastic-surgery disaster victims having mechanical, emotionless sex with each other.
    Exactly. If I wanted that, I would just have real sex.

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    Question Why dump on Joe D'Amato?

    Ooof. I give Joe D'Amato credit for being one of the very few who was still giving thought to plot lines in explicit movies circa 1995-1999. "Midnight Obsession" (1995) is "Midnight Express" cross-bred with a women-in-prison movie. But since it is an explicit movie, we get to view the body cavity search.
    What I've read is: When the Italian Directors Guild decided to disband in 1995, because it had lost all of the theatres that would exhibit their movies, Joe D'Amato decided it was OK to use that pseudonym for his explicit shoots then. It is not as though he had not shot explicit movies prior to then. They just didn't go out with "Joe D'Amato" credited as the director.
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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    I'm not GENERALLY dumping on Joe D'Amato, but even Kubrick or Scorsese couldn't make a good movie if it were shot on 80/90's video in one day with a cast of XXX non-actors. Lili Karati who I mentioned earlier was a veritable Meryl Streep compared to most XXX actresses. So were other D'Amato collaborators like Laura Gemser and Annie Belle. But Gemser and Belle never did hardcore and Karati was only in D'Amato's bigger-budgeted early 80's softcore stuff.

    As an aside though, I was recently watching "Murder Secret" (an Italian horror flick, not a porno) which featured "Jessica Moore" (actually an Italian actress with an Americanized name). She was in some D'Amato movies, although not his XXX stuff to my knowledge, and her reputation really precedes her. I wasn't too impressed until she took a long shower, and oh my freakin god! I think that's the main asset of Italian movies. 90's Italian XXX is probably as pointless as contemporary American stuff, but Italian woman are just so voluptuous compared to the anorexic stick figures that pass for sexy in America these days. And even if they have fake breasts (if Moore's are a fake, her surgeon deserves some kind of award) they still look more natural than when put ridiculously large breasts on one of the stick figures, which makes 'em look like frickin' mutants as far as I'm concerned

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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    I wouldn't consider the softcore Italian films porn, not by current standards or definitions, just as American 60s sexploitation barely qualifies. When one says porn these days it suggests real penetration, at a minimum.

    I know there's a big following for Laura Gemser but I'd disagree that she was any great shakes as an actress, even by xxx standards. She is beyond wooden and inexpressive in film after film, whereas xxx actresses like Veronica Hart, Samantha Fox and Georgina Spelvin were all able if not exactly remarkable actresses. Even Jess St James, Desiree Cousteau (when doing comedies) and Annette Haven projected more charisma on screen than Gemser, imo, and we know that De Palma thought so in Haven's case as he wanted to cast her originally in Body Double.

    Also, most of the xxx D'Amato films I've seen from the 80s looked like they were still shot on film, in fact that is about the only good thing you can say about most of those films. I'd actually say his xxx version of Tarzan is actually probably one of his better films, xxx or not. As for the low budgets, this is true as far as it goes but I'd say that D'Amato was working with bigger budgets than John Leslie's features in the 90s, and he produced several classics that stand up well today.

    As for the body types, I think what you say was true back in the 80s and 90s but modern American gonzo definitely has a wider variety of body types than modern Europorn, where the women tend to be more conventionally 'model good looking' but project practically no personality whatsoever.
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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    Main reason why Italian porn's so sexy to most people would of course have to be the women, goddesses almost without exception, even if they do tend to overdo the make-up at times. Hey, some guys really dig that cheap hooker look, I suppose.
    D'Amato may have kept going at it (it being 35mm porn) than most of his compadres but most of his movies, especially the ones semi-spoofing legit sources (Romeo & Juliet, The Untouchables, Tarzan, etc.), are sluggish to the point of stultifying in my opinion. Again, a couple of notable exceptions. He did a terrific if not exactly true to the letter adaptation of the Marquis de Sade's 120 DAYS OF SODOM, retaining the title. He also made a true original, believe it or not, RAW AND NAKED starring the succulent Selen (in an acting job to rival her torrid sexual exploits) plotting revenge for her brother's suicide by targeting the miserable family of his married mistress, really touchingly portrayed by the magnificent Kelly Trump. Yeah, I know, she's German so sneaking her into a thread on Italian porn might qualify as cheating but she's so gorgeous, who cares ??? Melodramatic plot was handled with surprising delicacy by Joe who, let's face it, was never known for it. There's an added treat that the almost entirely European cast spoke their own English dialogue (sometimes with disarmingly clumsy results) rather than being dubbed as was usual. Definitely worth seeking out !

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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dries Vermeulen View Post
    D'Amato may have kept going at it (it being 35mm porn) than most of his compadres but most of his movies...are sluggish to the point of stultifying in my opinion.
    You pretty much summed up ol' Joe's entire oeuvre right there, xxx or not!

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    Re: Why is Italian porn so darned sexy?

    Yeah, sometimes I find myself amazed at that guy's longevity for even his comparatively celebrated Black Emanuelle "epics" could never be called "good" films, at least not in the classic sense. My personal favorite of his collaborations with stony-faced Laura "I would die rather than change my expression" Gemser would have to be their totally loopy BLACK COBRA a/k/a EROTIC EVA a/k/a whatever... I popped a boner just seeing her in the same frame as Jack Palance !
    I guess Joe was coasting on his excellent (deserved) reputation as a cinematographer which must have landed him lots of jobs in the director's chair that might otherwise have gone to better, dare I say "proper" filmmakers...

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