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Ben Gart
02-04-2010, 03:55 PM
Have backed up in my plans of improving my tech situation and wanted to get some input. I'm looking at getting a Samsung LCD tv, 1080p, and the remaining question is basically whether it should be 32" or 37". I currently at 27" Panasonic tube and want to keep at least the same size (of the 4:3 image).

Thanks.

Barry M.
02-04-2010, 04:10 PM
I'm too lazy to do the math: http://dharmadevil.com/widescreen/

A 32" 16:9 would be just slightly smaller than a 27" 4:3, vertically. A 37" would be just slightly larger.

At 42" and smaller, at standard, recommended viewing distances, I think I read that human eyeballs may not be able to distinguish the difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p -- if you're looking to fit in a budget, that might be a better saving than size. I'm pretty sure more human eyeballs can tell the difference between 32" and 42" :D

Ben Gart
02-04-2010, 04:22 PM
Interesting. Thanks, Barry. I should also note, I only watch local programming via my antenna - so, HD cable/satellite issues don't need to be considered. I am looking at getting a blu-ray player as well. And, I live in an apartment, viewing distance is between 6-9 feet, probably.

Barry M.
02-04-2010, 04:30 PM
With a good antenna (or sometimes even rabbit ears), you'll be getting over-the-air HD -- often better quaity than cable (they tend to compress the bandwidth). It'll make the new tv seem worthwhile :). http://www.tvfool.com or similar sites will let you see what you're likely to get. I'm cable-free, too, and sometimes hd tv looks so good I don't notice how bad the show is.

Ben Gart
02-04-2010, 04:41 PM
What about pixel refresh rates? Also, is 60,000:1 contrast ratio really significantly different from 70,000:1?

N Boros
02-04-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm too lazy to do the math: http://dharmadevil.com/widescreen/
At 42" and smaller, at standard, recommended viewing distances, I think I read that human eyeballs may not be able to distinguish the difference in resolution between 720p and 1080p -- if you're looking to fit in a budget, that might be a better saving than size. I'm pretty sure more human eyeballs can tell the difference between 32" and 42" :D

I had two 50" TV's in my living room. One was 720p and the other was 1080p. Sitting at 8 or 9 feet away there was only subtle differences in extra detail from the 1080p set. In fact, I ended up with the 720p set since it was so much better at nearly everything else. If you can can get a larger screen because it is 720p rather than 1080p then I say go for it, especially if the TV is less than 42 inches. You'll definitely be happier with the larger screen in the long run as long as you like the picture quality from the particular TV.

N Boros
02-04-2010, 04:53 PM
What about pixel refresh rates? Also, is 60,000:1 contrast ratio really significantly different from 70,000:1?

The higher the contrast ratio the better. In fact, this is probably one of the most important things about getting a lifelike picture. But, these numbers coming from the manufacturers are almost meaningless. Try to go to review sites like CNET.com or audioholics.com once you have your TV choice narrowed down. They will discuss what the contrast ratio for the TV is really like rather than throwing around these ridiculous numbers.

Jonathan D. Cox
02-04-2010, 05:46 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but don't 720p lcd sets suffer from the dreaded "screen door effect"?

Rick Ashcroft
02-04-2010, 06:34 PM
Whats the Screen Door Effect?

Tim Mayer
02-04-2010, 07:04 PM
Too much distance between the scanning lines. I wouldn't recommend getting a 720p or i LCD over 32 inches.

Jonathan D. Cox
02-04-2010, 07:13 PM
You can see the individual lines giving the screen the appearance like looking through the wires in a screen door.

Ben Gart
02-04-2010, 07:40 PM
I'm leaning towards this guy: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN37B530-37-Inch-1080p-HDTV/dp/B001U3Y8NQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=tv&qid=1265326698&sr=1-1

Troy Howarth
02-04-2010, 10:07 PM
I picked up the 32" Samsung set a couple of months ago, and I'm more than happy with it. I paid about $400, including shipping, through BestBuy.

Steve R
02-04-2010, 11:44 PM
Ben,

Just for the helluva it check out what you think of a 720p plasma in that same 37" size. Samsung and Panasonic both made good ones and are likley better priced that the one you are eyeing.

Read some reviews, There are some great sites that will hip you to a lot of what goes into creating the kind of picture you like. Just search the make and model followed by review. Try to see some that are set up well. Most stores just put the contrast all the way up and leave it in video mode so it looks the brightest.

Just my two cents, but please if you love movies at least check out a plasma set.

Steve

N Boros
02-05-2010, 11:21 AM
I'm leaning towards this guy: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN37B530-37-Inch-1080p-HDTV/dp/B001U3Y8NQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=tv&qid=1265326698&sr=1-1

I agree with Steve R. I just did a quick look on amazon.com and found a 42" Panasonic plasma for a few dollar cheaper and a 50" Panasonic plasma for about $150 more. Even though they are 720p, it really doesn't matter than much.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P42X1-42-Inch-Plasma/dp/B001SE4YQS/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1265382752&sr=8-7-spell

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P50X1-50-Inch-Plasma/dp/B001SN7QUU/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1265382752&sr=8-9-spell

You should probably look for reviews for any of the TV's that you are going to seriously consider, but I'm betting that the Panasonic's will have been contrast ratio's (meaning better blacks and better shadow detail).

Rick Ashcroft
02-05-2010, 11:27 AM
I picked up the 32" Samsung set a couple of months ago, and I'm more than happy with it.

I was thinking of getting a 32" Samsung too, I know you haven't gone blu-ray yet Troy and was wondering what SD dvds look like on it? Do you have it hooked up via a scart lead, is it as good a picture as on a CRT tv.

Ray Kanne
02-05-2010, 11:36 AM
I'd rather get a Samsung 720 42' Plasma if I were you considering the info about your viewing habbits and viewing distance. Much more bang for your buck. Much better black levels and color reproduction at a cheaper price. Will look better when viewing upscaled DVDs from your planned new Blu-ray player purchase as well. Just my 2 cents.

Ben Gart
02-05-2010, 02:48 PM
42" seems a bit large though. I wasn't looking to go quite that big. But thanks for the input. Will take it into consideration.

Ronnie Sortor
02-05-2010, 06:25 PM
I had a 32" cheap-o 720p lcd for awhile and replaced it with a Samsung LN37A550 almost two years ago and couldn't be happier with it. With a 32", there's not much reason to go 1080p but doggone it, I wanted (and had room for) a little bigger screen, better quality and a built-in HD tuner. The Samsung delivered!
btw, this TV is for gaming and casual stuff. My serious movie room is equipped with a Sanyo PLV-Z3000 projector.

Ben Gart
02-10-2010, 05:46 PM
Ended up with the 37" Samsung 1080p LCD. I luvs it bunches! Have been watching local digital programming, 1080i stations (and 720 too) look incredible (Tom Skilling in HD...watch out!!!). The SD stuff doesn't look so hot (Bob Ross was on last night...the 'fro was a brown blur unfortunately... : ( . Got the Sherwood blu-ray player too -- no HDMI for it yet, but it's played everything I've thrown at it so far: NTSC, PAL 0, PAL 2, +r, -r, AVI's w-/w/out subs...amazing! Even the dreaded jitter of some PAL dvds like AWE's DEEP RED are mostly smoothed out (a little softness, but no jittering!). I have an HDMI cable coming in the mail from Monoprice and will report back then (also get a cable to hook up the MacBook Pro to the tv).

Good stuff, baby!

http://www.concertshots.com/images/cs-B-52's2-Atlanta81101.JPG

Ray Kanne
02-10-2010, 10:37 PM
Congratulations Ben! Sounds like you ended up with the perfect set for your needs.

Ben Gart
02-13-2010, 12:59 AM
Thanks, Ray! I now have all the cables I need, watched three epi's of Dexter via Netflix (MacBook Pro connected to tv via minidisplay->HDMI cable I picked up). Not bad! Playing with the Watchmen blu-ray currently. Which brings me to this question...

My tv - the Samsung 37" - has a film mode setting for when input is from HDMI and is 1080i @ 60hz. However, the option isn't available if I set the Sherwood blu-ray player as 1080p @ 24hz. Is there something I'm missing that actually matters? I also see the player has a film mode option as well. Is this a case of six of one, etc...(or whatever the saying is)?

Thanks...just in case I get some clarification.

Jonathan D. Cox
02-19-2010, 10:06 PM
I'm a total layperson but I will take a whack at this. Dunno if you are missing anything that matters but I believe hrz equals fps. So when when you set your dvd player to output 24hrz the monitor receiving the signal (if it is 24fps compatible) will then convert it to a faster rate by repeating frames to eliminate judder. Frames are repeated equally. Since 24 is not a factor 60 that option is no longer available to you. Twenty four is a factor of 120 so if you have a 120hrz processing then your set will accept the signal. My Pioneer processes 1080p/24fps at 72hrz and I believe Panasonics plasmas process it at 96hrz. This eliminate the 3:2 pulldown video processing used at 60hrz and supposedly creates smoother motion more indicative of the look of film. Sorry bro but that is the best I can do. Hope it helped.

Marshall Crist
02-27-2010, 04:57 AM
Say, Ben, your Sherwood isn't noisy (hum) is it? Or anyone?

Ben Gart
02-27-2010, 04:03 PM
Oh yes, Marshall - the Sherwood is a tad noisy. No denying that drawback.

Marshall Crist
02-27-2010, 04:54 PM
Shit. Back to square one.

Ben Gart
02-27-2010, 05:27 PM
Why? Just turn up the volume. Or, if your stand/unit has a door, close it. Considering the price and capabilities, it's neglible (so far). Perhaps there'll be a way to dampen the sound too. Haven't really cared enough to take the time to play around yet, personally. This is my first one and I knew the pitfalls, but budget and capabilities were more important to me. Some have complained about the brightness of the display too - that's just being nitpicky.

Marshall Crist
02-27-2010, 05:31 PM
Too bright or not bright enough?

My Panasonic is noisy on some discs (with door closed) and it bugs the shit out of me. Turning up the sound during quiet scenes does not help.

Ben Gart
02-27-2010, 10:46 PM
Too bright is what some have said about it. Totally ridiculous criticism for this machine.

Marshall Crist
02-27-2010, 11:15 PM
Too bright would be a blessing after my too-dark POS Panasonic.

Jonathan D. Cox
02-28-2010, 11:58 AM
Ben I posted earlier that I was sure that you would not see much improvement in PQ with blu ray due to the size of the set you were intent on purchasing. Well I am glad to see that I was wrong.

Troy Howarth
02-28-2010, 01:08 PM
I was thinking of getting a 32" Samsung too, I know you haven't gone blu-ray yet Troy and was wondering what SD dvds look like on it? Do you have it hooked up via a scart lead, is it as good a picture as on a CRT tv.

Sorry I didn't answer before- I haven't checked this thread in a while... Personally, I think they look fine. It depends on the transfer, of course, but even lesser transfers (some older non-16x9 titles, for instance) are still watchable. The best transfers, however, really come alive here - great detail and so forth. I'm very happy with it.

Ben Gart
03-03-2010, 10:34 PM
I now have the Moc blu-ray of M, tossed it in last night and played like a charm on the Sherwood. Looks bloody brilliant too. I did enter the code that is suggested for the Momitsu to get region-B blu-rays to play and it did what people say it does! Woo hoo!

EDIT: I take it back - I put Dead Snow in from Netflix tonight and it wouldn't play. Had to enter the region A code. Still, good player!