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02-11-2003, 04:33 PM
A very good underground film by director, Robert Kramer, about a group of rebels fighting against a fictional fascist US government. Interesting film with style that reminds me of Cassavettes's Shadows. Love to see this one on DVD someday.
09-07-2003, 12:56 AM
New Yorker Films has the rights to this film(or do they?), so hopefully one day, it will see a DVD release. A fascinating and overlooked film that nicely blends fiction with documentary where it becomes hard to separate the two.
01-31-2005, 06:54 PM
Anyone else familar with this film or the director
here's a review of the film
03-23-2005, 06:40 PM
Here's another summary from the Harvard Film Archive site.
"A pioneering work that blurred the boundaries between fictional and documentary styles, Ice was hailed by filmmaker and Village Voice critic Jonas Mekas as "the most original and most significant American narrative film" of the late sixties. An underground revolutionary group struggles against internal strife which threatens its security and stages urban guerrilla attacks against a fictionalized fascist regime in the United States. Interspersed throughout the narrative are rhetorical sequences that explain the philosophy of radical action and serve to restrain the melodrama inherent in the "thriller" genre. Shot in the gray landscape of New York City in a gritty cinema-verité style, the film has been compared to Jean-Luc Godard’s Alphaville."
07-25-2005, 12:58 AM
I read the film was made for $12,000.
12-25-2005, 11:35 PM
A good article on the director from 1999.
07-01-2009, 01:06 PM
I just watched a burned DVD of this film, and it was incredible--basically a fictional counterpart to the grainy Newsreel verite documentaries like The Murder of Fred Hampton. Definitely captures that late-60s Weatherman vibe.
Only problem was, my DVD cuts out at 2:03, with a scene in a phone booth. Various internet sources place the running length at 130-135 minutes, so whatever it is, I clearly missed the final scenes. Any chance someone could fill me in on how it all ends? I'm guessing that at the very least there are some stirring text messages about rising up against the state, but I'd like to know whether Kramer ends on an up note of spreading revolution or a down note of successful government repression in the narrative itself.
07-01-2009, 01:07 PM
also, is this thread in the wrong forum? seems a little out of place to me.
07-01-2009, 02:38 PM
I vaguely remember seeing this. Thought it was an urban action thing, but it was more of an art film. My disappointment colored my reaction to it a lot.
There were several like this made then. The Underground revolution was a hot and very cool topic.
Jon Voight starred in one, The Revolutionary, about a kid that gets draw further and further into the movement and your description above reminds me of the ending. (spoiler)
With Voight on a rooftop, poised with a bomb in his hand about to throw it into the building, but the film ends without us seeing whether he does or doesn't.
That ambiguity also pissed me off. And if you're gonna make an action film, make an action film. Naturally my younger sensibilities were offended. If... seem to handle it very well. That was a damn art film but it had action. And the style of the film was very well done. I'd try it again, but am still leary. and you're right it by no means belongs in the exploitation thread, nor action. Jeez, I'm still pissed at it... let it go:rolleyes:
07-02-2009, 04:58 AM
The Harvard Film Archive is showing this film and two other Kramer films(Milestones, Route One USA) in late sept.
07-02-2009, 05:14 PM
Groovy. Harvard is just the place to let The Man know where it's at!
10-12-2011, 11:23 PM
Getting a release in the US in Dec as part of a double feature with Milestone.
10-17-2011, 03:41 PM
That is the best thing I've seen in ages. I saw Milestones two summers ago at the Anthology Film Archive in NYC and thought it was one of the best films of the entire 1970s, and I've been raving about its absence from home-viewing formats ever since. Hopefully this spearheads an even broader Kramer revival!
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