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Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 11:20 AM
Perhaps it's even remotely possible that they do exist considering they are discovering new species of wildlife practically everyday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060918/ap_on_sc/underwater_discoveries

A shark that walks on it's fins? I gotta see that!

John G.
09-18-2006, 11:24 AM
You seem really obsessed with this stuff Bill. :)

You know, I used to own this paperback book when I was young. It was called "Big Foot, Loch Ness, UFOs" or something like that... I can't quite recall the title, but each chapter was devoted to an unexplained phenomenon like "Mothman" and the like. I must have read that thing cover to cover a dozen times... I wish I could find myself a copy again.

Tim Young
09-18-2006, 11:31 AM
I think it is possible that some creatures of this sort might exist, but so many 'scientists' will completely dismiss the idea out of hand. For example, why could a unicorn not exist?

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 11:40 AM
Not really obsessed John but for sure, I find it very interesting. Probably goes back to being really into this stuff as a child and watching the heck out of channels like Discovery or National Geographic when I first got Directv. Also, having a 10 year old who loves animals and wildlife keeps it kinda fresh. I'm kinda like Tim, I mean, why not? I'm not saying they exist just thinking that possibly they do and no one has come across them yet. Since they are discovering new things all the time, maybe someone will actually come across the hairy beast of the Pacific Northwest one day :)

While I'm not good on dates and specific points of wildlife history, wasn't the Great Ape not known to man until like the 1920's or 1930's? Wasn't the Panda bear discovered fairly recently in the 1940's or 1950's? And these animals are pretty sizeable, yet they escaped detection all those years. Just an interesting subject is all.

Fred Adelman
09-18-2006, 12:14 PM
I once saw a giant bird-creature near a swamp in Wanaque, NJ when I was 11 years old. I was gathering different species of bugs for a science project (Wanaque had the largest collection of bugs I have ever seen!) and saw a huge shadow overhead. I looked up and saw a silouhette of a giant bird or winged creature overhead. Since the pond was called "Dead Man's Lake", I bid a hasty retreat. A couple of days later I read newspaper reports of sightings of some huge bird in the area. Some people said it was the Mothman. Years later, Weird NJ tracked me down and wanted me to tell my story. I gave them a short piece. Wanaque was a hotbed for weird phenomenon. They had a much-publicized UFO incident over the Wanaque Reservoir in the mid-60's and various reports of a weird vortex that would transport alien-like creatures through time. Wanaque also had an unusual amount of Albinos and Jackson Whites in it's population. Walking down the streets was surely an eye-opener. Also, a school mate of mine got drunk one day and shot his 22 calibre rifle through the courtroom window. In what could only be called a freak accident, he managed to shoot the town's judge right through the heart as he was sitting on the bench overseeing some traffic cases. Killed him instantly. He's still in prison. It's no wonder I left that town as soon as I turned 18!

Frank Estrada
09-18-2006, 12:26 PM
Not really obsessed John but for sure, I find it very interesting. Probably goes back to being really into this stuff as a child and watching the heck out of channels like Discovery or National Geographic when I first got Directv. Also, having a 10 year old who loves animals and wildlife keeps it kinda fresh. I'm kinda like Tim, I mean, why not? I'm not saying they exist just thinking that possibly they do and no one has come across them yet. Since they are discovering new things all the time, maybe someone will actually come across the hairy beast of the Pacific Northwest one day :)

While I'm not good on dates and specific points of wildlife history, wasn't the Great Ape not known to man until like the 1920's or 1930's? Wasn't the Panda bear discovered fairly recently in the 1940's or 1950's? And these animals are pretty sizeable, yet they escaped detection all those years. Just an interesting subject is all.

Up until not too long ago, the platypus was considered a myth as well. In fact, the first guy to bring (a dead) one to a university to be studied was arrested for animal cruelty or something (they thought he cobbled it together from various animal parts. I mentioned this in one of the other cryptozoology threads, so forgive me if I sound like a broken record.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 01:01 PM
I didn't know that about the platypus. Interesting. Didn't some creatures like the crocodile and cockroach survive since prehistoric times? I guess if they can, it's possible others might have as well.

Fred - Wow! That was some post. Creepy and tragic.

Frank Estrada
09-18-2006, 07:01 PM
Wanaque also had an unusual amount of Albinos and Jackson Whites in it's population...

I had no idea what "Jackson Whites" were, so I looked it up. It's pretty interesting how their origins are somewhat mysterious.

William R.
09-18-2006, 07:12 PM
Wanaque, NJ

There's really just something in the water in Passaic County. Between West Milford and Wanaque I think half of Weird NJ takes place in that area.

Frank Estrada
09-18-2006, 07:19 PM
Why is it so weird?

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 07:25 PM
I had no idea what "Jackson Whites" were


I've lived in the state my whole life and I've never heard of them.

Frank Estrada
09-18-2006, 07:27 PM
How can that be?

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 07:32 PM
How can that be?

That I never heard of them you mean? I dunno. I really don't get out much.

Seriously, I have no idea what they are.

William R.
09-18-2006, 07:33 PM
Why is it so weird?

Are you asking for examples (http://weirdnj.com/misc/main.asp) or just scientific explanation?

Ask Fred he lived there. I'm Essex, we're not weird, we're just retodded.

William R.
09-18-2006, 07:37 PM
I've lived in the state my whole life and I've never heard of them.

You never heard of the Ramapo mountain people? :eek:

Sleep well, Mr. Pissott.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 07:41 PM
Never heard of those guys either. Don't even know where the Ramapo mountains are.

William R.
09-18-2006, 07:48 PM
They're the Jackson Whites.

The mountains are closer than you think.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 07:51 PM
Wasn't there some major UFO event at the Ramapo mountains like in the 60's or am I thinking of something else?

Frank Estrada
09-18-2006, 07:55 PM
Are you asking for examples (http://weirdnj.com/misc/main.asp) or just scientific explanation?


Scientific explanation/theory.

Fred Adelman
09-18-2006, 08:33 PM
I think why Wanaque and the surrounding area is so weird is because of it's history. A lot of the people that still live there are from ancestry that is quite mysterious. There is an old tale that describes the area as being first inhabited by a cannibalistic tribe of Indians called the Wanaquies (sp.?) who mated with the first settlers that were the product of slave owners having sex with the slaves. These not-quite-white, not-quite-black settlers set up camp and got along with the Indians quite well because they were both looked upon as outcasts. Right up till this day, there are shacks in the woods that are occupied by decendants of these people. Most of them go by the last name of "DeGroot". I remember, when living in Wanaque, going for hikes in the woods and finding the stripped carcasses of deer, rabbit and other animals. There was also a place in the woods that looked like a cerimonial alter with dried blood splattered all around. We never went in the woods alone. You can imagine the stories that were told. Most of them were sheer imagination but, sometimes, a true on would slip in. The Wanaque Reservior was created by flooding an entire town. During the droughts you could see the rooftops of buildings and discarded railroad trains (Wanaque had a working railroad up until the mid '70s). One story I can tell you that is true because I was there to see it: The town's mailman, a Lithuanian man who liked to drink and lived on our street, fell off the wagon hard one day. He was a collector of WWI memorabilia and had quite a collection in his basement. In his drunken stupor, he walked out of his house carrying an old grenade from his collection. He threw it out into the street and it just sat there. Everyone ran into their houses. Less than a minute later the damn thing exploded, blowing out windows in about 10 houses, including ours. Well, he went to a psychiatric facility and about 6 months later was back delivering the mail!

My whole time living there was one big adventure but most of the time I was scared for my life. I saw a lot of strange things in Wanaque: UFOs, strange and mysterious creatures, a swamp that yeilded some strange plant, insect and animal life (the swamp was fed by a chemical plant's refuge) and long-time locals that would scare the most courageous person. Some things I would just rather forget.

William R.
09-18-2006, 08:36 PM
Scientific explanation/theory.

I'd like to concoct (sp?) a crazy theory involving lots of local haunts that eventually led to the damning of Passaic County. Starting with Devil's Tomb which is about an hour south of West Milford in Somerset County, Jacob's Ladder, and the crazy nuns of Blairsden and then moving up to WM's Demon's Alley among other things. Maybe there's some kind of Pentagram that can be drawn out on a map connecting all these places and Passaic's lakes lay right in the center.

Beats me.

Kristian R
09-18-2006, 08:53 PM
The famous Patterson-Gimlin film doesn't look half as impressive when digitally stabilized. Looks fake-ass to me now. Bummer.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 08:57 PM
The famous Patterson-Gimlin film doesn't look half as impressive when digitally stabilized. Looks fake-ass to me now. Bummer.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif


What makes it look so fake to you KR as opposed to the original, untouched film?

William R.
09-18-2006, 09:05 PM
I think the untouched film has a more odd movement to it. I can't explain it very well personally, but I do find the original to look legit because when it's stabilized like that it looks like a dude in a suit. I think it's his walk in the untouched that sells it, but it "seems" that was due to a jerky camera.

I'm not KR, it's just I never really looked at it before.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 09:09 PM
Makes sense. It doesn't really look as "good" as the original.

Kristian R
09-18-2006, 09:25 PM
Like William said, once you smooth out the mega jerky camera movements, it just looks like a dude in a suit to me. The original shaky-cam obscured that for the most part.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 09:37 PM
Yeah, I guess so. Now that I look at it closely it looks almost too good.

Kristian R
09-18-2006, 09:41 PM
That and the fact that the guys who filmed it were specifically going out to make a bigfoot documentary and came back with gold on the very first day kind of seals the deal for me against its authenticity.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 11:06 PM
That and the fact that the guys who filmed it were specifically going out to make a bigfoot documentary and came back with gold on the very first day kind of seals the deal for me against its authenticity.


Hmmmm. I was under the impression that since it was Patterson's lifelong ambition to get Bigfoot footage that he always took his camera along with him whenever he went out and that he came up empty-handed on previous ventures. I didn't realize the film represented the first time he went out to film one.

Fred Adelman
09-18-2006, 11:13 PM
While I do believe that there are species of animals that we haven't seen yet, I don't think Bigfoot is one of them. An animal that huge would have to of left a discoverable corpse by now. There's not that much virgin territory in the US for it to hide anymore. After all the scientific expeditions that were sent out to search for this elusive creature, all we have to show for it are some blurry film footage and casts of footprints? I think not.

Oh, I forgot to mention. National Geographic did a special on the Patterson footage. It seems that it was all a put-on by Patterson and a couple of friends of his. According to on-screen interviews, Patterson and another person filmed a friend in a home-made bigfoot suit. The footage was shot while sitting on a horse. That's what gives it the jerky motion. At least that's what the special said. You decide whether that story is true or not. ;)

Frank Estrada
09-18-2006, 11:36 PM
There's not that much virgin territory in the US for it to hide anymore.

Fuck, if they live anywhere, it's in Oregon and Washington. The woods out here go on forever. There are places out here where humans just flat out don't go.

Fred Adelman
09-18-2006, 11:40 PM
[QUOTE=Fred Adelman] There's not that much virgin territory in the US for it to hide anymore. QUOTE]

Fuck, if they live anywhere, it's in Oregon and Washington. The woods out here go on forever. There are places out here where humans just flat out don't go.

That seems to be the main places they supposedly reside. Why doesn't anyone go there?

Where I live we have the Jersey Devil. It supposedly lives in the Pine Barrens. The same place where Pauly Walnuts and Christopher shot the Russian in THE SOPRANOS.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 11:44 PM
It supposedly lives in the Pine Barrens. The same place where Pauly Walnuts and Christopher shot the Russian in THE SOPRANOS.


And also where "Satan's Playground" takes place :)

Fred Adelman
09-18-2006, 11:47 PM
And also where "Satan's Playground" takes place :)

Yeah. Dante loves that place. Didn't he film part of HORROR there also?

13TH CHILD was also filmed there.

Bill Pissott
09-18-2006, 11:49 PM
Didn't he film part of HORROR there also?


Good question. I'm not sure really.

Frank Estrada
09-18-2006, 11:49 PM
People don't go there because the woods are so deep. There's no reason to go out there. And the terrain is too gnarly.

If you go to the top of Mt. Hood at night and look out on the horizon, where you see lights is civilization. Where you see black is forest. I'm telling you, all you can see is about 80% black as far as you can see. The 20% of lights you see is Portland.

Packwood, WA is even more gnarly. That's where lots of sightings are, and I'm not surprised. If I was a Bigfoot and I didn't want to be bothered, I'd live out there in the thick ass, deep woods that go on for days.

I'm real used to the wildlife out here. I hunted alot with my dad growing up, and I can totally see a creature like that living out there among the rest of the wild animals. Deer, elk, bears, cougars... why not a damn Bigfoot?

Fred Adelman
09-18-2006, 11:57 PM
People don't go there because the woods are so deep. There's no reason to go out there. And the terrain is too gnarly.

If you go to the top of Mt. Hood at night and look out on the horizon, where you see lights is civilization. Where you see black is forest. I'm telling you, all you can see is about 80% black as far as you can see. The 20% of lights you see is Portland.

Packwood, WA is even more gnarly. That's where lots of sightings are, and I'm not surprised. If I was a Bigfoot and I didn't want to be bothered, I'd live out there in the thick ass, deep woods that go on for days.

I'm real used to the wildlife out here. I hunted alot with my dad growing up, and I can totally see a creature like that living out there among the rest of the wild animals. Deer, elk, bears, cougars... why not a damn Bigfoot?

Because deer, elk, bears and cougars come down from the mountains and clash with civilization every once in a while. We know they exist because our zoos are filled with them and documentaries photograph them. Hunters bag them and use 'em as trophies. Bigfoot is another story. When it comes down to clash with civilization, it seems to pick on people that have no credibility, are downright crazy or are the worst shot in the world. Either Bigfoot is smarter than anyone on this planet or extremely lucky. :D

Frank Estrada
09-19-2006, 12:10 AM
They're smart. They don't want to be found, and they're damn good at it. They eat those other critters for snacks.

Not to mention the fact that new animal species are being discovered pretty much constantly. (http://www.all-species.org/discovered.html)

Estimates of undiscovered species on Earth range from 10 million to 100 million...

Bigfoot lives.

Fred Adelman
09-19-2006, 12:18 AM
They're smart. They don't want to be found, and they're damn good at it. They eat those other critters for snacks.

Not to mention the fact that new animal species are being discovered pretty much constantly. (http://www.all-species.org/discovered.html)

Estimates of undiscovered species on Earth range from 10 million to 100 million...

Bigfoot lives.

Most of the new species discovered on land are insects or small critters (besides the salt water-loving camel). The real big discoveries are in the oceans, which cover nearly 80% of the Earth. The ocean is the new outer space.

Maybe Bigfoot owns some scuba gear. :D

William R.
09-19-2006, 12:27 AM
Scientists also stretch this shit to insane proportions.

-So what is it?
-It's a new species of trout!
-It looks like a trout to me.
-Yes, but it's underbelly is slightly more grey and it's scales are a bit different.
-Oh yea, no shit.

Like that new species of shark they found of the coast of South Carolina that they only determined was different from your average Hammerhead due to DNA testing. I love this type of stuff, new species discoveries and all, but it bums me out when they're pretty much nothing new. The mammal in Borneo (I think) that looked like some kind of Lemur. I want some crazy looking shit. Like more platypus type stuff.

In my heart, BIGFOOT LIVES!, but he probably shaved and joined the 9-5'ers in Portland.

Fred Adelman
09-19-2006, 12:35 AM
Do you think if Bigfoot shaved he would look like this:

Frank Estrada
09-19-2006, 12:54 AM
Bigfoot does NOT go to $tarbucks. He just rolls deep in the woods and evades stupid humans. He doesn't own scuba gear, but he can swim like a motherfucker.

You guys are from Jersey, you don't know shit about Bigfoot. If I have questions about that fucking Jersey Devil, I'll ask you. But since we're talking about my fucking neighbors, y'all better just listen and learn.

Shit, we even have Bigfoot crossing signs - just to warn fools like you.

http://cryptozoo.monstrous.com/pictures/patterson_bigfoot_monster_footage.jpg

Earl Roesel
09-19-2006, 12:57 AM
Here in KY we have the "Woolybooger". Supposedly a hairy, bipedal humanoid that darts out in front of highway traffic on dark nights. I'm not kidding. My aunt knows a man who claims to have wrecked his car during an encounter with the creature. Take that for whatever it's worth.

I keep my mind open about things like this, but Bigfoot, Nessie, UFOs and the like always took a backseat to my interest in magic(k). Always wondered about the "Mothman" though -- oh, that gave me some nice chills as a kid.

Fred Adelman
09-19-2006, 01:13 AM
Bigfoot does NOT go to $tarbucks. He just rolls deep in the woods and evades stupid humans. He doesn't own scuba gear, but he can swim like a motherfucker.

You guys are from Jersey, you don't know shit about Bigfoot. If I have questions about that fucking Jersey Devil, I'll ask you. But since we're talking about my fucking neighbors, y'all better just listen and learn.

Shit, we even have Bigfoot crossing signs - just to warn fools like you.

http://cryptozoo.monstrous.com/pictures/patterson_bigfoot_monster_footage.jpg


Whoaaaa! Calm down, Frank. It's OK. Didn't mean to mess with your legend. :eek:

Besides, Jersey's got you guys beat when it comes to unexplained phenomenon. Look at my posts one and two pages back. I have real experience when it comes to facing the unknown. And the idiotic. We're not proud enough to make signs for it though.

Any more talk like that and I'll send some Jackson Whites your way. :D

Frank Estrada
09-19-2006, 07:02 AM
You're Big-food.

Tim Young
09-19-2006, 07:27 AM
Well we have all sorts of reports of big cats roaming areas of Britain, and they have never been found. Since Britain is not much bigger than Washington and Oregon states, and far more densely populated, then it proves that some such creatures could well survive hidden:

See more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5338760.stm

These science types always seem to come up with bizarre explanations for things like the cattle mutilations and then assume that the cases are closed, even if the evidence does not cover half the cases. See the 'Chupacabra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_sucker)', most scientists will just ignore such ideas.

Bill Pissott
09-19-2006, 08:17 AM
Maybe Bigfoot is a migrating animal that eats it's own dead? Perhaps that is why they are so elusive and remains are never forund?

Frank Estrada
09-19-2006, 12:21 PM
The entire United Kingdom is the size of Oregon.

Maybe I should explain why I'm so sensitive about the issue of Bigfoot:

Bigfoot saved my life when I was a little kid.

When I was little, my parents owned property on the Cowlitz river in Washington. We used to go camping and fishing there. My parents would stay in their motorhome, and the kids would sleep in tents.

One morning, I got out of my tent and was walking around the campfire in my bare feet. This is gonna sound gross, but I stepped on a slug. So I went down to the river to wash slug guts off my foot.

The Cowlitz is a very dangerous river, but I didn't know that at the time. When I was washing the guts off of my foot, I fell in because of the slippery rocks I was standing on. Just as I was about to be swept away with the very strong current, I felt a very large hand grab me by my shirt. I thought it as my dad, but when I looked, I saw a large, furry creature running towards the tree line. The creature was so large and strong, it jerked me back onto the shore in one motion before running off into the woods. The creature smelled awful, basically like shit. And he ran on two legs. It looked very close to a bear (at least from behind) only it had huge, human-like hands and feet.

I never told my family about it - in fact I never told anyone about it.

Until now.

Fred Adelman
09-19-2006, 12:26 PM
The entire United Kingdom is the size of Oregon.

Maybe I should explain why I'm so sensitive about the issue of Bigfoot:

Bigfoot saved my life when I was a little kid.

When I was little, my parents owned property on the Cowlitz river in Washington. We used to go camping and fishing there. My parents would stay in their motorhome, and the kids would sleep in tents.

One morning, I got out of my tent and was walking around the campfire in my bare feet. This is gonna sound gross, but I stepped on a slug. So I went down to the river to wash slug guts off my foot.

The Cowlitz is a very dangerous river, but I didn't know that at the time. When I was washing the guts off of my foot, I fell in because of the slippery rocks I was standing on. Just as I was about to be swept away with the very strong current, I felt a very large hand grab me by my shirt. I thought it as my dad, but when I looked, I saw a large, furry creature running towards the tree line. The creature was so large and strong, it jerked me back onto the shore in one motion before running off into the woods. The creature smelled awful, basically like shit. And he ran on two legs. It looked very close to a bear (at least from behind) only it had huge, human-like hands and feet.

I never told my family about it - in fact I never told anyone about it.

Until now.

HOLY SHIT! I'll never doubt you again.

Bill Pissott
09-19-2006, 12:30 PM
The entire United Kingdom is the size of Oregon.

Maybe I should explain why I'm so sensitive about the issue of Bigfoot:

Bigfoot saved my life when I was a little kid.

When I was little, my parents owned property on the Cowlitz river in Washington. We used to go camping and fishing there. My parents would stay in their motorhome, and the kids would sleep in tents.

One morning, I got out of my tent and was walking around the campfire in my bare feet. This is gonna sound gross, but I stepped on a slug. So I went down to the river to wash slug guts off my foot.

The Cowlitz is a very dangerous river, but I didn't know that at the time. When I was washing the guts off of my foot, I fell in because of the slippery rocks I was standing on. Just as I was about to be swept away with the very strong current, I felt a very large hand grab me by my shirt. I thought it as my dad, but when I looked, I saw a large, furry creature running towards the tree line. The creature was so large and strong, it jerked me back onto the shore in one motion before running off into the woods. The creature smelled awful, basically like shit. And he ran on two legs. It looked very close to a bear (at least from behind) only it had huge, human-like hands and feet.

I never told my family about it - in fact I never told anyone about it.

Until now.


Seriously Butch? No bullshit?

That is frickin' awesome!

Jonathan Douglas
09-19-2006, 12:34 PM
While I do believe that there are species of animals that we haven't seen yet, I don't think Bigfoot is one of them. An animal that huge would have to of left a discoverable corpse by now. There's not that much virgin territory in the US for it to hide anymore. After all the scientific expeditions that were sent out to search for this elusive creature, all we have to show for it are some blurry film footage and casts of footprints? I think not.

Oh, I forgot to mention. National Geographic did a special on the Patterson footage. It seems that it was all a put-on by Patterson and a couple of friends of his. According to on-screen interviews, Patterson and another person filmed a friend in a home-made bigfoot suit. The footage was shot while sitting on a horse. That's what gives it the jerky motion. At least that's what the special said. You decide whether that story is true or not. ;)
Patterson was on foot, chasing the thing, when he filmed it. The first distant shot may be on horseback, but he got thrown off and the shaky bit is him running then standing still. The suite theory is just tabloid news, sensationalism, someone's 15 minutes of fame. Patterson never admitted anything, nor Gimlin. These two guys aren't the only ones, to ever see a Bigfoot nor the only ones to film one. They were extremely lucky that day, I think it was their last day on the trip and the last roll of film, it actually ran out as they filmed.

I agree with Frank, these critters are smart they're no ordinary animals - if they're animals at all. The Native Americans, and early settlers, have known about them for centuries. I think they may be closer related to us, than we'd like to admit. That means they're curious of us, but smart enough to stay out of our way. How long they'll be able to do that, is the question. Besides, most encounters happen by chance, people hiking or camping, if you're out there looking for them you won't find them. They may live in caves and old mines, may even bury their dead.

Frank Estrada
09-19-2006, 12:36 PM
http://www.speedcubing.com/ton/collection/Slide%20with%20Hole/images/030%20Rubik's%20Missing%20Link.jpg

Tim Young
09-20-2006, 09:55 AM
The entire United Kingdom is the size of Oregon.

Maybe I should explain why I'm so sensitive about the issue of Bigfoot:

Bigfoot saved my life when I was a little kid.

When I was little, my parents owned property on the Cowlitz river in Washington. We used to go camping and fishing there. My parents would stay in their motorhome, and the kids would sleep in tents.

One morning, I got out of my tent and was walking around the campfire in my bare feet. This is gonna sound gross, but I stepped on a slug. So I went down to the river to wash slug guts off my foot.

The Cowlitz is a very dangerous river, but I didn't know that at the time. When I was washing the guts off of my foot, I fell in because of the slippery rocks I was standing on. Just as I was about to be swept away with the very strong current, I felt a very large hand grab me by my shirt. I thought it as my dad, but when I looked, I saw a large, furry creature running towards the tree line. The creature was so large and strong, it jerked me back onto the shore in one motion before running off into the woods. The creature smelled awful, basically like shit. And he ran on two legs. It looked very close to a bear (at least from behind) only it had huge, human-like hands and feet.

I never told my family about it - in fact I never told anyone about it.

Until now.

Seriously... wow.... that is amazing. The size of Oregon you say?

Jonathan Douglas
09-20-2006, 10:51 AM
You serious Frank, or pulling our legs ?:cool: That's a great story, I've always felt the Bigfoot legend is probably closer to HARRY AND THE HENDERSONS, than THE UNTOLD anyway. Nice biggy. :)

Mike T
09-20-2006, 11:20 AM
A shark that walks on it's fins? I gotta see that!

Hey Bill!

Go here...

http://video.news.com.au/

Scroll down to "News" then expand the options, click on "World" and then take a quick look-see in the video preview boxes. You will see a cute little fish and the headline "Walking shark discovered" -- click on him, and you will see the little fellow walking on his fins...:)

jon bynum
09-21-2006, 03:09 AM
I think that if you will study evolutionary status then you will see that alot of creatures have died out and without any hard evedence we will see them as fairytale creatures not as real beings that they are. just my opinion but science is not my thing I like to think for myself and have seen alot of things and done alot of things that people say is not real or possible.

Bill Pissott
09-21-2006, 11:11 AM
Hey Bill!

Go here...

http://video.news.com.au/

Scroll down to "News" then expand the options, click on "World" and then take a quick look-see in the video preview boxes. You will see a cute little fish and the headline "Walking shark discovered" -- click on him, and you will see the little fellow walking on his fins...:)


Thanks Mike. That is really weird looking. Poor thing looks like it's drunk :)

Very interesting though.

Justin Frank
09-21-2006, 12:31 PM
After all the scientific expeditions that were sent out to search for this elusive creature, all we have to show for it are some blurry film footage and casts of footprints?

I don't know which "scientific expeditions" you're talking about. There has never been any substantial funding for Bigfoot research.

And about the Patterson-Gimlin footage, if they were going to put a man in a suit, why would they put boobs on it? Just doesn't seem likely. Besides that, look closely at the bend of the legs, they never straighten. People don't walk like that. Also, you can see muscles rippling beneath the skin/fur - not any easy thing for a special-effects man to create today, much less 40 years ago.

Someday somebody's gonna bag a bigfoot.

Fred Adelman
09-21-2006, 01:21 PM
I don't know which "scientific expeditions" you're talking about. There has never been any substantial funding for Bigfoot research.

And about the Patterson-Gimlin footage, if they were going to put a man in a suit, why would they put boobs on it? Just doesn't seem likely. Besides that, look closely at the bend of the legs, they never straighten. People don't walk like that. Also, you can see muscles rippling beneath the skin/fur - not any easy thing for a special-effects man to create today, much less 40 years ago.

Someday somebody's gonna bag a bigfoot.

Hey, why put boobs on anything? Because you can! :D

I'm surprised that you can get so much detail from a blurry piece of 8 MM film.

Also, I've seen at least 4 documentaries on the search for Bigfoot. Each one was a different expedition funded by the private sector. All came up with the same conclusion: Bigfoot is one elusive bastard.

Bill Pissott
09-21-2006, 02:09 PM
I'm not sure where I stand on Bigfoot, Loch Ness, Jersey Devil, Mothman and the like. I haven't read or saw anything that would make me believe beyond a shadow of a doubt they exist but I also haven't seen anything that would make me positively deny their existance either.

Personally, I think it's more possible these things exist as opposed to the existance of alien spacecraft and such with I think is a lot of hogwash but that's for another thread I suppose.

Jonathan Douglas
07-31-2008, 06:21 PM
'Yeti' hairs found in 2003 are now being tested...
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=53d0de91-9681-417b-9555-b4531dbb6522

Ian F
07-31-2008, 06:25 PM
'Yeti' hairs found in 2003 are now being tested...
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=53d0de91-9681-417b-9555-b4531dbb6522

Interesting. Only problem is if it comes back unknown, people can say and they are correct that it could be an error, or without a positive it can confirm nothing.

Still I'm all for Yeti, Bigfoot, and Sas :)

Jonathan Douglas
03-03-2009, 04:25 PM
There's hope again, David Attenborough thinks the Yeti could be there, starts after about 4:30 mins.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1157965/Yeti-evidence-convincing-says-wildlife-expert-Sir-David-Attenborough.html

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Christopher B.
03-03-2009, 05:04 PM
There's an expedition in the Congo right now filming a documentary for 'Monster Quest', searching for Africa's version of Nessie called Mokele-M-Bembe. The area is an almost impenetrable swamp that hasn't changed longitude or latitude much for millions of years. There's an interesting book about this cryptozoological animal by Rory Nugent called 'Drums Along The Congo'.

Paul Casey
03-03-2009, 06:30 PM
There's an expedition in the Congo right now filming a documentary for 'Monster Quest', searching for Africa's version of Nessie called Mokele-M-Bembe. The area is an almost impenetrable swamp that hasn't changed longitude or latitude much for millions of years. There's an interesting book about this cryptozoological animal by Rory Nugent called 'Drums Along The Congo'.

This is the picture of it on Wikipedia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Mokele-mbembe.jpg

It says "An artist's rendition." Yeah, no shit. I think they're being a little generous with the word "artist."

Kristian R
03-03-2009, 06:32 PM
That looks like a screen shot from any number of Sci-Fi Channel "Original" movies.




Only better.

Josh S
03-09-2009, 02:59 AM
It says "An artist's rendition." Yeah, no shit. I think they're being a little generous with the word "artist."

aahaha

I laughed so hard poop came out of my nose!

Phil B.
03-09-2009, 05:35 AM
Fortean Times Rules

Phil B.
03-09-2009, 05:36 AM
:) :{

Todd J
03-09-2009, 11:51 AM
This is the picture of it on Wikipedia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Mokele-mbembe.jpg

It says "An artist's rendition." Yeah, no shit. I think they're being a little generous with the word "artist."

It looks real to me. Honestly, Paul why do you have be so skeptical?

Paul Casey
03-09-2009, 12:17 PM
It looks real to me. Honestly, Paul why do you have be so skeptical?

It's all that dang city learnin'.

Barry M.
03-09-2009, 12:19 PM
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Paul Casey
03-09-2009, 12:25 PM
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Prickle leads to goo.

Ian F
03-18-2009, 01:06 AM
Two good Sasquatch books I'm currently reading:

Jeff Meldrum's Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science
John Green's Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us

David Lopez
03-18-2009, 01:25 AM
Two good Sasquatch books I'm currently reading:

Jeff Meldrum's Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science
John Green's Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us

When I was in my teens I searched everywhere for a copy of the Green book, with no luck. I got his mailing address from some "paranormal" - themed magazine, wrote him a letter asking if he had a copy for sale, and he sent me an autographed, first-edition for free. A really cool guy, a class act all the way, and in my opinion, SASQUATCH:THE APES AMONG US is THE Bigfoot book par excellance, essential for any cryptozoology library.

Kristian R
03-18-2009, 09:56 AM
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Jeffrey Allen Rydell
03-18-2009, 10:10 AM
It says "An artist's rendition." Yeah, no shit. I think they're being a little generous with the word "artist."
They meant "visionary".

Barry M.
03-18-2009, 10:17 AM
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I'd watch it.

There's something charmingly democratic about bigfoot. Sure, any kid with a beachtowel and a digicam came be Dracula. But Bigfoot, with his roots in backwoods beercooler hoaxing, and his head high in those cloudy Darwinian dreams like Thoreau in Emerson's forest -- he's the quintessential American monster, and it ought to be every American's duty to make a bigfoot movie.

Bill Pissott
03-18-2009, 10:23 AM
Still I'm all for Yeti, Bigfoot, and Sas :)


The Gable Film still kinda screws with my head. In one instance it looks like a bear and then quickly looks like some kind of dog/wolf or something. When all is said and done, it's probably a bear but the film is cool to watch.

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Ian F
03-18-2009, 11:07 AM
When I was in my teens I searched everywhere for a copy of the Green book, with no luck. I got his mailing address from some "paranormal" - themed magazine, wrote him a letter asking if he had a copy for sale, and he sent me an autographed, first-edition for free. A really cool guy, a class act all the way, and in my opinion, SASQUATCH:THE APES AMONG US is THE Bigfoot book par excellance, essential for any cryptozoology library.

Wow, thats a really awesome story, and it shows what a top notch guy that John Green is. I was lucky to get the reprint that Hancock House put out a couple of years ago, before that, you'd have to request it from some far away library through inter-library loan or pay a kings ransom. It's a great book and barring Meldrum's and some of the more recent books, it's still pretty much the bible of Sasquatch.

I also like for light reading Peter Byrne's book. It has a lot of good sightings detailed in it.

Kristian R
03-18-2009, 11:37 AM
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x28/sportsgurl1/100_1934.jpg

I dug this game as a kid.

Paul Casey
03-18-2009, 12:16 PM
I dug this game as a kid.

Where are the twelve sided dice? I'm confused.

Kristian R
03-18-2009, 12:45 PM
The dog ate them.

Kristian R
03-18-2009, 12:46 PM
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David Lopez
03-18-2009, 05:34 PM
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x28/sportsgurl1/100_1934.jpg

I dug this game as a kid.

I once saw an auction on eBay where the guy was asking a small fortune for just that little plastic Bigfoot gamepiece (something like three hundred bucks), and by auction's end, he got it, too.

Paul Casey
03-19-2009, 07:25 AM
I once saw an auction on eBay where the guy was asking a small fortune for just that little plastic Bigfoot gamepiece (something like three hundred bucks), and by auction's end, he got it, too.

Where'd Bill get the money?

n'yuck n'yuck n'yuck

Bill Pissott
03-19-2009, 08:16 AM
Moi????

Paul Casey
03-19-2009, 10:09 AM
Moi????

Oui!

That game looks like it would be fun. Do you have to run from Bigfoot or do you have to kill him?

Bill Pissott
03-19-2009, 10:29 AM
I say you better kill him. We need proof :)

Kristian R
03-19-2009, 10:56 AM
Oui!

That game looks like it would be fun. Do you have to run from Bigfoot or do you have to kill him?

In the game you have to run from him while trying to mine for gold.

I think by brother made off with my copy from my parent's house. He also grabbed my Bermuda Triangle game while he was at it. Hopefully he wasn't the guy selling parts on eBay. :mad:

Paul Casey
03-19-2009, 12:12 PM
Hopefully he wasn't the guy selling parts on eBay. :mad:

If he was the guy selling parts, I bought a few of his toes.

Jonathan Douglas
05-03-2009, 04:06 PM
New photo surfaced, good f/x, or real Chupacabra caught in trap...? http://shadowboxent.brinkster.net/LEMUR/MexicoCreatureReport.html Oh-oh, not new at all actually. :-/

Paul Casey
05-03-2009, 08:47 PM
Scream Demon vs Jean Genie

Paul Casey
05-03-2009, 08:49 PM
Look at the string type thing around its ankle. Did they leave the tag on so they could return it to the store after they took the picture? I wonder how Toys R Us will feel when they see the blatant misuse of their return policy.

Bill Pissott
05-04-2009, 08:18 AM
New photo surfaced, good f/x, or real Chupacabra caught in trap...? http://shadowboxent.brinkster.net/LEMUR/MexicoCreatureReport.html Oh-oh, not new at all actually. :-/


That was funny!

Christopher B.
07-22-2009, 04:24 PM
This is the picture of it on Wikipedia.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Mokele-mbembe.jpg

It says "An artist's rendition." Yeah, no shit. I think they're being a little generous with the word "artist."

Tonight on the History Channel is the previously mentioned episode of MONSTERQUEST, where they go to the Congo looking for Mokele-M-Bembe, the area's answer to Nessie. It will probably suck but I'll be watching.:eek:

Edmund Hill
07-23-2009, 01:21 AM
I just finished watching the Mokele-M-Bembe episode. It was interesting, but of course, they found nothing. I'm starting to suspect that the Monsterquest people might be getting a kickback from the company that makes those motion control cameras, seeing as they use them in nearly every episode. Monster packs of aggressive dogs is up next.

Ian F
07-23-2009, 07:25 AM
I just finished watching the Mokele-M-Bembe episode. It was interesting, but of course, they found nothing. I'm starting to suspect that the Monsterquest people might be getting a kickback from the company that makes those motion control cameras, seeing as they use them in nearly every episode. Monster packs of aggressive dogs is up next.

The aggressive dogs episode was actually pretty interesting. I was happy at the end, that the seem to have rescued one of the animals instead of just releasing it back into the wild. It's fairly depressing at times though. personally I want to find the fucker smiling next to his whore/wife/slut in the dog fighting video and set them on fire or something.

Edmund Hill
07-24-2009, 05:46 AM
The aggressive dogs episode was actually pretty interesting. I was happy at the end, that the seem to have rescued one of the animals instead of just releasing it back into the wild. It's fairly depressing at times though. personally I want to find the fucker smiling next to his whore/wife/slut in the dog fighting video and set them on fire or something.

I couldn't agree with you more about the two dog fighting scumbags. But I guess, ironically, they did actually find some honest to God monsters for once.

Phil B.
12-09-2009, 12:09 PM
Mystery as spiral blue light display hovers above Norway (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html)

Checkout the videos in the above link.

Possible Explanation? (http://www.barentsobserver.com/failed-missile-launch-caused-strange-light-over-northern-norway.4663494-58932.html)

Edit: my favorite quote
The peculiar spiral shaped light pattern comes from reflection of the sin in the leaking fuel (emphasis added)


I couldn't find the paranormal thread, so I put this here.

Could be just a missle launch, but it could be ....a doorway to another dimension?:rolleyes:

Phil B.
12-09-2009, 08:06 PM
Georgia Bigfoot (http://georgiamysteries.blogspot.com/2009/12/on-trail-of-georgia-bigfootlatest.html)

Christopher B.
12-09-2009, 10:03 PM
Mystery as spiral blue light display hovers above Norway (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html)

Checkout the videos in the above link.

Possible Explanation? (http://www.barentsobserver.com/failed-missile-launch-caused-strange-light-over-northern-norway.4663494-58932.html)

Edit: my favorite quote (emphasis added)


I couldn't find the paranormal thread, so I put this here.

Could be just a missle launch, but it could be ....a doorway to another dimension?:rolleyes:

At first I thought of the Hadron Collider, but as of this morning, news reports are saying it was a Russian missile lauch.