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Bill Pissott
09-05-2006, 10:34 PM
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Bill Pissott
09-05-2006, 10:36 PM
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Bill Pissott
09-05-2006, 10:39 PM
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Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 10:39 PM
I had to add this video because after I watched it, I was struck by a nagging question......

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......just what is it that so many people hate about the Sammy Hagar era Van Halen? I'm not talking about Sammy's personal life or what he does on the side or if he's a jerk or not, but musically speaking, what is the beef? When you look at this video, the man can sing, he can play and it's a nice song. Hagar obviously has the tools so what is it that so many people hate? Is it simply because the guy isn't David Lee Roth? Just curious :)

John G.
09-07-2006, 11:11 PM
I dunno.... everytime I hear "Right Now" or whatever it's called, I can't help but think CRYSTAL PEPSI COMMERCIAL SONG!

I was listening to that Best of Both Worlds Greatest Hits disc and the tracklisting alternates between Roth and Hagar, which was very unflattering to the latter's material... Roth's tunes were upbeat, exciting, catchy whereas Hagar's, by comparison, seemed plodding and monotonous to me... I must confess that I haven't actually given one of his albums a proper listen all the way through so I can't comment on him definitively...

...but I will mention my friend's comment during a Van Hagar song from the Greatest Hits disc (damned if I remember which one). "Man, Hagar sounds like such a bitch." Not that I fully endorse that viewpoint, but I laughed pretty hard all the same.

Zane C.
09-07-2006, 11:11 PM
I had to add this video because after I watched it, I was struck by a nagging question......

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......just what is it that so many people hate about the Sammy Hagar era Van Halen? I'm not talking about Sammy's personal life or what he does on the side or if he's a jerk or not, but musically speaking, what is the beef? When you look at this video, the man can sing, he can play and it's a nice song. Hagar obviously has the tools so what is it that so many people hate? Is it simply because the guy isn't David Lee Roth? Just curious :)

Speaking for myself, Bill, I think it's the fact that Sammy Hagar just isn't Diamond Dave, like you've said. DLR, for me, symbolizes Van Halen. My own opinion is that DLR-era songs/music are much better than the material with Hagar. I'm sure there's those who'd disagree with me, but DLR, musically, tops Hagar. I've never really enjoyed Van Halen's output with Hagar, save for "Right Now". On the other hand, I could name several DLR-era Halen tunes that I like. Mind you, I'm not a huge Van Halen fan to begin with; as a band they're overrated. They've had some good songs in the past, and Ed plays a mean guitar, but he's not the be all and end all of guitar playing, as many have heralded him as. Not saying I could top his skills in a million years, because I couldn't even play half of one of his songs, but I think there's better players out there. Van Halen came along at the right time, and to me, it seems it was a case of "right place, right time". Their music certainly hasn't evolved over the years, in my opinion.

Van Halen should bury the hatchet, do a reunion tour with DLR AND Sammy Hagar doing vocals at different times during the show for their respective songs, and have a nice send off from the fans. Then they should pack it in. They've failed to do anything remotely interesting in the last few years, and need to call it a day already.

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:16 PM
I can understand folks maybe not liking the guy and I realize the DLR era VH was more hard rocking for lack of a better term but I just don't see a problem with the guy, Hagar, musically speaking. Yeah, maybe Hagar era stuff was more in the way of ballads or softer edged music but they still had some rockers and even the DLR era had it's share of "up" tunes, ala "Dance The Night Away". Remember, I believe it was Roth who wanted the band to head in a more radio friendly direction and numbers speak for themselves in that the Hagar era outsold the DLR era. Not that it means much but I get a little stumped at times trying to figure out the Hagar hatred and it had me wondering whether or not it was simply because Roth was not there anymore.

John G.
09-07-2006, 11:20 PM
People grew up listening to Roth, whose over-the-top persona more or less defined the band (you could argue even more, or at the very least just as much, as Halen's guitar playing) and so when Hagar showed up, a radically different vocalist with a different style of music, most people probably didn't bother to give them a chance. Either that, or they just didn't like the music.

Chad Haden
09-07-2006, 11:20 PM
Personally speaking, I just don't care for Hagar's voice. It doesn't matter if it's "Heavy Metal" or "I Can't Drive 55" or one of his Van Hagar songs, I just can't get into the guy.

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:21 PM
Speaking for myself, Bill, I think it's the fact that Sammy Hagar just isn't Diamond Dave, like you've said. DLR, for me, symbolizes Van Halen. My own opinion is that DLR-era songs/music are much better than the material with Hagar. I'm sure there's those who'd disagree with me, but DLR, musically, tops Hagar. I've never really enjoyed Van Halen's output with Hagar, save for "Right Now". On the other hand, I could name several DLR-era Halen tunes that I like. Mind you, I'm not a huge Van Halen fan to begin with; as a band they're overrated. They've had some good songs in the past, and Ed plays a mean guitar, but he's not the be all and end all of guitar playing, as many have heralded him as. Not saying I could top his skills in a million years, because I couldn't even play half of one of his songs, but I think there's better players out there. Van Halen came along at the right time, and to me, it seems it was a case of "right place, right time". Their music certainly hasn't evolved over the years, in my opinion.

Van Halen should bury the hatchet, do a reunion tour with DLR AND Sammy Hagar doing vocals at different times during the show for their respective songs, and have a nice send off from the fans. Then they should pack it in. They've failed to do anything remotely interesting in the last few years, and need to call it a day already.


I appreciate your honesty and your viewpoint Zane. Personally, I like the DLR era a lot better but I have no complaints about Hagar and the music put out during his tenure. Besides, I'm a sucker for a power ballad and "Love Walks In" came on the radio during my first date with my future Wife :)

I think part of the reason, maybe a LARGE part, as to why the band hasn't done much or evolved much in recent years has to do with Eddie's fight against cancer and the break-up of his marriage. I agree with you that I'd love to see everybody get their act together, mend the fences and hit the road for a farewell tour with both DLR and Hagar. I think it's a great idea and I'd go see it.

Zane C.
09-07-2006, 11:22 PM
I can understand folks maybe not liking the guy and I realize the DLR era VH was more hard rocking for lack of a better term but I just don't see a problem with the guy, Hagar, musically speaking. Yeah, maybe Hagar era stuff was more in the way of ballads or softer edged music but they still had some rockers and even the DLR era had it's share of "up" tunes, ala "Dance The Night Away". Remember, I believe it was Roth who wanted the band to head in a more radio friendly direction and numbers speak for themselves in that the Hagar era outsold the DLR era. Not that it means much but I get a little stumped at times trying to figure out the Hagar hatred and it had me wondering whether or not it was simply because Roth was not there anymore.

Well, I don't hate Hagar, but I just don't particularly care for his music, Van Halen or solo stuff either. I think you're absolutely correct about people not liking him because he's not Dave, though. That's probably the main reason for a lot of people not caring for his output with Van Halen, or him personally. Unfair? Yes, but I can see where people are coming from. On one hand, you have DLR, who's colorful and wild, one of the most recognizable frontmen in the history of rock (whether we want to admit it or not), being replaced by a bland frontman. Hagar's a solid, journeyman musican, who's good at what he does, and I'm sure has a following, but the two are like night and day. It's amazing to me that Hagar-era VH has sold more than DLR-era VH, but hasn't Hagar also been with VH longer? I think this may be a factor as well. Oh well, just my two cents! :D

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:24 PM
I suppose if someone just doesn't appeal to you, either in appearance or in vocalization, it's certainly a legitimate reason for not caring for the musical output. trust me, I'm really not a Hagar defender, it's just that some of the knocks on the guy seemed harsh, when to me at least, the guy has some talent to spare.

Zane C.
09-07-2006, 11:25 PM
I appreciate your honesty and your viewpoint Zane. Personally, I like the DLR era a lot better but I have no complaints about Hagar and the music put out during his tenure. Besides, I'm a sucker for a power ballad and "Love Walks In" came on the radio during my first date with my future Wife :)


Well, that's a completely acceptable reason for liking power ballads, Bill. Especially "Love Walks In"! That's understandable!

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:28 PM
but hasn't Hagar also been with VH longer?


Slightly I think. DLR was something like '78-'84 and Hagar was like '86-'95 or something though it was VH's first album with Hagar, "5150" that went through the roof.

Zane C.
09-07-2006, 11:29 PM
I suppose if someone just doesn't appeal to you, either in appearance or in vocalization, it's certainly a legitimate reason for not caring for the musical output. trust me, I'm really not a Hagar defender, it's just that some of the knocks on the guy seemed harsh, when to me at least, the guy has some talent to spare.

I honestly think, Bill, if I were to see Hagar live with VH, or solo, it might change my mind. Mind you, I wouldn't pay over $50 bucks to see them, either!

You're right about Hagar having talent to spare, though. I think he probably brought a "total package" element to VH that DLR might have lacked. We have to remember Hagar was a rocker, doin' it all himself, before he joined VH. DLR just basically sang, and didn't really play an instrument. That's not a knock on Dave, but it puts it in perspective, I suppose.

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:30 PM
Well, that's a completely acceptable reason for liking power ballads, Bill. Especially "Love Walks In"! That's understandable!


Talk about timing and coincidence huh? :)

Zane C.
09-07-2006, 11:31 PM
Talk about timing and coincidence huh? :)

Hahaha! Yep! My guess is you'll never forget that song, and always like it! :D

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:33 PM
I honestly think, Bill, if I were to see Hagar live with VH, or solo, it might change my mind. Mind you, I wouldn't pay over $50 bucks to see them, either!

You're right about Hagar having talent to spare, though. I think he probably brought a "total package" element to VH that DLR might have lacked. We have to remember Hagar was a rocker, doin' it all himself, before he joined VH. DLR just basically sang, and didn't really play an instrument. That's not a knock on Dave, but it puts it in perspective, I suppose.


Actually Zane, the price would have to be right for me to see them also. Good point on the instrument playing. I hadn't really thought of that. I did see the band at the Meadowlands during the 5150 tour and it was a great show but that's the only time.

My Wife and I were talking about VH last week, she's not big on rock and roll but she likes VH, and she asked me who I preferred as the frontman and without hesitation I said DLR.

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:34 PM
Hahaha! Yep! My guess is you'll never forget that song, and always like it! :D


You'd be right. It gets regular rotation :)

Zane C.
09-07-2006, 11:37 PM
You'd be right. It gets regular rotation :)

Good deal! How many people can say they met to the tune of a Van Halen song? That's actually cool! I guess, though, you being a big Allman Brothers fan, the only thing better than meeting your future wife to the tune of a Van Halen song would have been meeting her to the tune of an Allman Brothers song, huh?! :D

Zane C.
09-07-2006, 11:41 PM
I dunno.... everytime I hear "Right Now" or whatever it's called, I can't help but think CRYSTAL PEPSI COMMERCIAL SONG!


Jeez, John, me too! They played the hell out of that commercial. It got annoying, actually. :eek:

Bill Pissott
09-07-2006, 11:42 PM
Good deal! How many people can say they met to the tune of a Van Halen song? That's actually cool! I guess, though, you being a big Allman Brohters fan, the only thing better than meeting your future wife to the tune of a Van Halen song would have been meeting her to the tune of an Allman Brothers song, huh?! :D


Yeah, I'd say you were right on the money actually. Although I do remember having a heavy makeout session with some girl during "Mountain Jam" :)

Lewis G.
09-08-2006, 09:49 AM
People grew up listening to Roth, whose over-the-top persona more or less defined the band (you could argue even more, or at the very least just as much, as Halen's guitar playing) and so when Hagar showed up, a radically different vocalist with a different style of music, most people probably didn't bother to give them a chance. Either that, or they just didn't like the music.

Exactly, same thing with Iron Maiden, AC/DC and a lot of bands , some people have more problems with changes. Casual fans dont mind as much. Its the same with movies, sometimes you got to accept the facts, Sean Connerey is no longer James Bond but some folks still cant swallow it.

Marshall Crist
09-08-2006, 01:28 PM
......just what is it that so many people hate about the Sammy Hagar era Van Halen?

I think Sammy was fine in Montrose. The problem with Sammy era VH is that by then the songwriting had begun to suck. The lyrics to "Poundcake" are hilariously bad. They should have called the song "Give Me Some of That Uh Uh Uh Uh Uh." The sucking actually started before DLR left. I think it was the synth on "Jump" that signalled the death of VH.

BTW, Sammy, you can drive 55 now.

Matt A
09-08-2006, 01:33 PM
What do you think would have happened if they changed their name when Sammy joined? Like, went back to Mammoth or something. Would people still have been so disappointed?

Bill Pissott
09-08-2006, 01:35 PM
Probably not but it also might have been a tougher sell. The VH name was pretty much gold at that point.

David Huber
09-08-2006, 01:48 PM
I've always liked DLR-era stuff better; I think the dynamic between Dave's glitz and Eddie's flash was something special. Curiously, I like Sammy better than Dave as a solo artist; saw them on their tour together and Sammy blew Dave out of the water. Sammy was also the first band I ever saw live, opening for Boston back in 1978.

As for Eddie, he's open to playing with Dave again, and is currently supplying the music for a porn flick:

http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=58004

Bill Pissott
09-08-2006, 02:10 PM
As much as I'd like to see a VH reunion thing, my main hope is that Eddie is ok and has that cancer's ass kicked.