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Al Edwards
11-06-2002, 10:00 PM
I'm interested in the films of Sam Fuller, especially in the film, White Dog, which sounds fascinating, and wonder what the chances of it being on DVD. I know Paramount owns it so the chances doesn't seem too good. One thing I know about this film is it was written by Curtis Hanson.

Lee O
11-07-2002, 12:07 AM
It's not as good as people make it sound. It's actually a really goofy story. It goes something like this: The KKK gets a white german shepherd, they get an alcoholic black guy to beat it and the dog is magically trained to attack all black people. The dog runs away and a little girl finds it, it attacks more black people, then the girls family hires a trainer to teach it to be a nice dog. There is suppossed to be a moral to the story and an anti racist message, however the studio's didn't see it that way. They called it racist and shelved it.

I watched this movie many years back while visiting a friend in England. He'd seen it many times. I suppose it's better known in Europe than in the U.S., so maybe a PAL version will pop up.

Chuk H
11-07-2002, 12:23 AM
I've seen it run on cable some. Cinemax and maybe IFC.

Ian Z.
11-08-2002, 01:50 PM
I think WHITE DOG is quite interesting, but I won't count on it ever getting released on video again here. Hopefully a PAL disc will come out since my copies need upgrading.

Ennio Morricone's soundtrack is appropriately downbeat which really helps. I'll admit that I find the topic fascinating and the fact that the film appears to be supressed in the US, so maybe this allows it to appeal more to me than others. But I would recommend it for sure.

Jeff Rediger
11-09-2002, 08:07 AM
In these days of out-of-control PC
I would guess that this film will NEVER be released in this country again!

J Dewey Wallis
11-09-2002, 02:44 PM
Yeah, I taped it off cable a few years back, was shocked (but pleased)to find it airing on one of the major movie channels at some ungodly hour.

It is a clumsy film, a little heavy handed and the production feels like a tv movie (low budget, bad acting, and such), but it is still a decent film. It is Fuller doing what he does best, heavy doses of exploitation with heavy doses of message, but, like I said, it is still clumsy and awkward. It is a shame that the film was so unjustly maligned, but ironic considering it stars a White German Shepherd, a breed that was unjustly deemed an unpure breed and was for many years looked down upon (and is still not recognized in some circles) by dog breeders.

Paul Freitag
11-09-2002, 03:06 PM
It's okayish, but like Dewey Wallis said, it's pretty clumsy. It's got a number of good ideas, and it's by no means a "racist" film, but it's still kind of awkwardly put together, even for late-period Fuller.

(On the other hand, I love DEAD PIGEON ON BEETHOVEN STREET, and that's clumsy as hell--part of it are just plain silly. But it's clearly a Fuller film, and it's worth seeking out.)

Guillaume P
12-11-2004, 07:32 AM
i don't think that it's "a clumsy film" at all!
IMO,WHITE DOG is a masterpiece,one of the most underrated films of the 80's.
it's really a clever,harsh,shocking,crual and heartbreaking film,and it's really a pity that it wasn't even released in theaters in America at the time!
the actors are also quite good (especially paul Winfield and the very natural kristy McNichol) and ennio Morricone's score is also very beautiful,haunting and sad.

i really hope that Paramount will release a special edition of this gem on dvd!

PS: what's the original ratio of WHITE DOG? is it 1:85? my old vhs is an awful full frame... :(

Torstein Karlsen
12-11-2004, 03:18 PM
I thought the movie was good, its sad that it hasnt found its way to a dvd release yet

walter o
12-11-2004, 04:13 PM
I saw it at the seattle film festival, and the whole crowd was laughing and hissing and seem to find the whole film a comedy instead of a serious drama.

Guillaume P
12-12-2004, 11:10 AM
I saw it at the seattle film festival, and the whole crowd was laughing and hissing and seem to find the whole film a comedy instead of a serious drama.

:eek: it's true that it's funny to watch a dog bite and kill some black people... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :confused:

Bryan D
12-13-2004, 01:21 PM
I remember it got rave reviews when playing in Germany. I watched it once but it's been ages ... can't even remember if I liked it or not. Wouldn't mind refreshing my memory watching this on DVD though.

Jonathan Douglas
12-13-2004, 05:52 PM
It's got quite a name in Germany, it's on TV there often.

Aaron G
12-13-2004, 05:59 PM
I really wanna see this...Hopefully FANTOMa will do it.

Guillaume P
03-21-2005, 04:09 PM
always nothing new for a dvd of this film?? :rolleyes: :(

Guillaume P
04-14-2006, 03:09 PM
one year later...still no news about a dvd of this great and underrated film?? :( :mad: :(

Pete H
04-16-2006, 02:14 PM
dunno about quality, etc......

http://www.5minutesonline.com/1D/whitedog.htm

Raymond Marble
04-21-2006, 08:27 PM
I rented it a month ago from Greencine and received a homemade menu dvd-r sourced from a washed out VHS tape. I didn't know what to expect from the movie and it was ok but not as outrageous as I had expected. The best thing about the movie was the very cute (but annoying) Kristy McNichol in a t-shirt.

Guillaume P
04-22-2006, 06:30 AM
the very cute (but annoying) Kristy McNichol in a t-shirt.


i think that she delivers a fine,moving and natural performance...Paul Winfield is very good too.

JasonDean
04-22-2006, 08:05 AM
I LOVE this movie.

I have it on VHS, (since I have a "NO BOOTLEG"-Mentality), I would love to see this movie getting a "Deluxe Edition"-Treatment on DVD.
Great directing by Fuller, good actors, Kristy McNichol and Paul Winfield are perfectly fitting and a beautiful score.

I think it's odd that this movie was so controversial when it came out...

William R.
04-22-2006, 01:50 PM
I think the premise behind it is more interesting than the film itself. The idea is good, but how it works on the screen failed to impress me in any way. The first time I saw it I think it fell victim to hype. "What the hell is everyone on about? For what reason is this not available?" I gave it a second go and it played better than the first one, but all it amounts to in my eyes is an interesting failure.

Guillaume P
04-22-2006, 03:57 PM
I LOVE this movie.

Great directing by Fuller, good actors, Kristy McNichol and Paul Winfield are perfectly fitting and a beautiful score.

I think it's odd that this movie was so controversial when it came out...

i love this movie too...for me it's a little masterpiece...the story is so hard,shocking and sad...the ending and the music from Morricone are awesome too!

Andy Johansen
04-23-2006, 10:09 PM
yeah, i liked the movie also. I have seen it on both danish and german television.
Since i am a morricone fan, this also caught my attention.

Horace Cordier
04-24-2006, 12:25 AM
I saw this on cable MANY years ago and remember being quite taken with it. However, its one of those films I need very much to see again as I'm wondering if I would have a different reaction today?

I remember thinking Winfield was really good in the film.

I found one here:

http://www.lfvw.com/white_dog.htm

Keep in mind these guys have a fairly dodgy rep, and that the print is fullscreen with burned Dutch subs. I'm guessing this is a dvdr ripped from a European TV broadcast. It is the unedited Euro cut though. Apparently, the US version cut the racial angle out making it about a dog that randomly bites anyone!

Guillaume P
04-24-2006, 04:17 AM
Apparently, the US version cut the racial angle out making it about a dog that randomly bites anyone!

my god,that's so silly! :rolleyes: :confused:

the film was screened last year on a french tv channel in a quite good print,so maybe there's a hope that a decent dvd will be available someday... :)

C.L. James
05-02-2006, 06:46 PM
Just watched a copy I got through trades, and thought it was an extremely sad and quite powerful film, with a beautiful score by Morricone. I'd definitely pick up an official release, especially when I consider how awful the washed out full screen print looked.

Alex K.
05-03-2006, 03:12 AM
I got a hold of the 5 Minutes To Live rip, good quality without any foreign subs and it was uncut. Great film, the mauling in the church was especially effective.

Guillaume P
05-03-2006, 05:40 AM
I'd definitely pick up an official release, especially when I consider how awful the washed out full screen print looked.

i got a full screen vhs copy in the 80's and i remember that you could only see one eye of the dog when Fuller was shooting a close up of the dog's eyes! :D :rolleyes:

Guillaume P
05-03-2006, 05:41 AM
I'd definitely pick up an official release, especially when I consider how awful the washed out full screen print looked.

i got a full screen vhs copy in the 80's and i remember that you could only see one eye of the dog when Fuller was shooting a close up of the dog's eyes! :D :rolleyes:

Guillaume P
05-03-2006, 07:46 AM
the mauling in the church was especially effective.

yes,that's a terrific and clever scene...i've once read in a cinema book that Fuller had to fight against his producers to put this idea and this scene in his film,because it was too daring and shocking.

i also like:

SPOILERS:

-all the training dog scenes,impressive and well directed

-the attack in the studio scene,quite scary,with an effective use of the slow motion

-the sad scene where Kristy McNichol is visiting the kennel

-the clever and unexpected scene where McNichol finally encounters the dog's owner... :eek:

-the awesome final showdown between the three characters and the dog...that's so tense and sad.

Aaron G
05-03-2006, 08:00 AM
I closed my eyes for the spoliers...Fuller is a legend, and was a big influence on Larry Cohen. I really wanna see this film, BU or Subversive should really get their hands on this as it'll do really well!

Sergio B
05-03-2006, 05:37 PM
I remember seeing this movie on TV sometime back in the 80s. I don't recall much about the details, but I do remember one scene where the dog attacks a black man right front of Kristy McNichol. The man yells "That's a white dog!" To which McNichol replies something like "What do you mean? Of course it's white." I was always under the impression that this was a made-for-TV movie though.

Ed C
02-27-2007, 10:16 AM
What is the best way to get a hold of this incredible movie?

I saw it millions of times as a youth on Superchannel, and I had no idea it had never been released on video or DVD.... got the jones to see it agian, BAD.

Any help greatly appreciated.

C.L. James
02-27-2007, 10:33 AM
I sent you a PM. Great film, BTW.

MC Ackerly
02-27-2007, 10:37 AM
I love this film as well and I saw it at a Monstermania convention and didn't pick it up, which I regret now.

I did however find this website which has a DVD-R of it. But, I never dealt with this place or know of anyone that has. But, I guess its worth a shot.

Here's the link.

http://www.5minutestolive.com/1D/whitedog.htm

Paul A J Lewis
02-27-2007, 10:46 AM
Marvelous movie. I've got the UK quad poster in storage; I've been meaning to hang it for a while.

Al Edwards
02-27-2007, 11:16 AM
I read that Criterion might release this along with other Paramount titles they gotten ahold of like If and Ace in the Hole.

MC Ackerly
02-27-2007, 11:18 AM
Wow, Criterion putting out White Dog would be incredible.

Paul A J Lewis
02-27-2007, 11:22 AM
I read that Criterion might release this along with other Paramount titles they gotten ahold of like If and Ace in the Hole.
Sounds like good news: those are three excellent movies.

Jonathan Douglas
02-27-2007, 03:06 PM
I thought it was made for television, I've only ever seen it fullscreen?

Paul A J Lewis
02-27-2007, 03:18 PM
I thought it was made for television, I've only ever seen it fullscreen?
I think that in some parts of Europe, it was shown at cinemas, Jonathan. I've got a UK quad poster for the movie, so it must also have been shown at cinemas in the UK at some point.

Kenneth M
02-27-2007, 03:23 PM
I love this film as well and I saw it at a Monstermania convention and didn't pick it up, which I regret now.

I did however find this website which has a DVD-R of it. But, I never dealt with this place or know of anyone that has. But, I guess its worth a shot.

Here's the link.

http://www.5minutestolive.com/1D/whitedog.htm


DO NOT DEAL WITH THIS COMPANY. Do a search. They RIP US MANIACS OFF.

Another source would be lfvw.com. Their dvd-rs are ten bucks right now (which is half the price of not getting a movie at all) & while some maniacs have had some trouble with them in the past, at least you get what you pay for. I have their version of White Dog & it's decent.

That said, I'd love to see this properly restored.

Paul A J Lewis
02-27-2007, 03:27 PM
I love this film as well and I saw it at a Monstermania convention and didn't pick it up, which I regret now.

I did however find this website which has a DVD-R of it. But, I never dealt with this place or know of anyone that has. But, I guess its worth a shot.

Here's the link.

http://www.5minutestolive.com/1D/whitedog.htm
If you're really stuck for a copy and can't hold out for the Criterion disc, send me a PM, MC.

MC Ackerly
02-27-2007, 05:32 PM
I sent u a PM, Paul!!!

Guillaume P
02-28-2007, 04:44 AM
one of these films i'm dying to have on dvd,along with others gems like FULL CIRCLE/THE HAUNTING OF JULIA,THE KEEP and FOUR FLIES ON GREY VELVET! :D


I think that in some parts of Europe, it was shown at cinemas, Jonathan.

yes,it was even released at the french cinemas in the summer of 1982,and it has been shown on the french tv two years ago in a quite decent looking print.

WHITE DOG is a great great film,even one of my favorite on ymdb :),it has great acting,great score (Morricone's soundtrack is one of his most beautiful,i think),a clever,disturbing and powerful content and an awesome ending,very heartbreaking... :(

a sadly underrated film,and i hope that we'll have on the dvd someday the "making of" this film (Fuller himself shown this documentary at the Strasbourg film festival in 1982)

Guillaume P
02-28-2007, 04:49 AM
I thought it was made for television, I've only ever seen it fullscreen?

it's not a tv movie!
Fuller's direction,his editing and use of slow motion on this film are impressive... :)

Jonathan Douglas
02-28-2007, 08:33 AM
A better lead actress would've worked wonders, IMO, but I guess Fuller wanted this everyday plain Jane. Focus of course is on the dog, but she's too anonymous for me.

Guillaume P
02-28-2007, 09:05 AM
I guess Fuller wanted this everyday plain Jane.

I think too...in my opinion,Kristy McNichol delivered a fine,natural and touching performance...this scene where she's angry against the old racist man is really great! :)

Guillaume P
06-02-2007, 06:02 AM
You can hear Ennio Morricone's wonderful soundtrack here... :) :

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=165647582

James Flower
06-02-2007, 09:11 AM
A widescreen (1:85:1) version was aired on Channel 4 here in the UK a few years ago - my old university somehow has a VHS dupe in its library of the original tape used by C4 for broadcast, with no adverts.

Alex M
08-01-2007, 03:51 AM
This is finally coming out in the US on the 11th September :

https://www.tlasecure.com/details/product_details.cfm?id=252947&sn=1&v=1&g=0

Guillaume P
08-01-2007, 05:33 AM
Awesome news,but i hope that this dvd will be decent!! ;)

StevenP
08-01-2007, 07:20 AM
It won't. Televista are a crappy bootleg operation.
Hope this doesn't screw up the possible Criterion release.

Guillaume P
08-26-2007, 04:44 AM
Criterion is working on a licensed, legitimate release with special features and the usual pristine Criterion video.

I emailed Criterion and they confirmed they are working on a White Dog DVD to be released sometime in the near future. They could not give me a hard date.

:) :cool:

Al Edwards
08-27-2007, 07:07 PM
http://www.criterion.com/eclipsenews/eclipse7/newsletter_eclipse-7.html?utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=/eclipsenews/eclipse7/newsletter_eclipse-7.html&utm_content=dxwarrior_23@yahoo.com&utm_campaign=The%20Criterion%20Collection%20Newsle tter%20-%20Eclipse%20Series%205



"In 2008 Criterion will release a Samuel Fuller movie that was deemed too controversial to release by its studio—and that was allegedly based on the true story of a pet once owned by Breathless star Jean Seberg."

Gordon McMurphy
08-27-2007, 07:23 PM
I wasn't all that impressed by this film. It's an interesting premise, but there isn't a whole lot that can be done with it. I think that had it not been censured/banned/whatever, then it wouldn't be talked about as much as it is. Films with a dog as the central character are always tenuous and the problem here is that the dog is the villain and the victim and thus, there is no dramatic tension, I feel. Also, the production of the film seems cheap, almost TV-movie-ish at times. It's great that it's finally getting a legit release, but it seems an odd choice for a Criterion SE.

Ian Z.
08-28-2007, 06:29 PM
Odd choice perhaps, but a great one as far as I'm concerned. I'm stoked. :)

Guillaume P
08-29-2007, 05:34 AM
Odd choice perhaps, but a great one as far as I'm concerned. I'm stoked. :)

I agree.
I think that it is an awesome movie,and one of my favorite films,period. ;)

Guillaume P
10-16-2007, 01:59 PM
Curtis Hanson is talking about the film and his work with Fuller:

"I didn't go to film school. What I did was I started... In fact instead of going to college, I started writing about movies and taking pictures of the people that made them. I wrote something about Sam Fuller that he liked. I then met him and we really hit it off. This was when I was 19. Over the years we just became friends. He was just a very generous friend and a kind of mentor in a way, if you will.
Then I stared developing my own filmmaking career and as coincidence would have it I was sort of developing this two pronged career. On the one hand, I was trying to direct. On the other hand, I was writing more successfully on bigger projects.
One of these projects I was hired to do was an adaptation of Romain Gary's novella, White Dog. At the time I was writing it Roman Polanski was going to direct it. Then he got into his legal problems and a lot of things happened, but basically the script sat on the shelf for several years at Paramount.
Now, I had talked to Sammy about it at the time I was writing it because he knew Romain Gary and was interested in the story. We had just kind of chatted about it. Then about 5 years later they took it off the shelf and contacted me to see if I would be interested in rewriting it. They wouldn't let me direct it, though. I tried to get it and direct. When that failed rather than rewrite it for somebody else, I said "Well, why don't you get Sam Fuller to direct this?"
There was a strike, oddly enough it was kinda like right now, there was a strike looming and they were in a hurry to make some pictures. Sam, I knew, was not only available, but eager for work. They hired him and then they hired me to work with Sam and write a new script. We needed to write it in 3 weeks because of this potential strike.
So, I ended up in the dream position of collaborating with this guy whose work I had so admired over my entire movie going life who was also a friend of mine. The thing that was unique about it was it was actually the only time Sam ever cowrote anything with anybody. And of course the goal was to produce the script that Sam wanted for his movie because, naturally, this was now a Sam Fuller movie. We used some of the structural elements from my original script, but basically we started over again.
It was a great experience professionally and personally. The unfortunate thing about it is, as you know, the picture came under this cloud of controversy which was totally absurd. It was based on remarks made by people who had never even seen the movie. The picture literally became sort of too hot to handle and Paramount... they didn't release it, they shelved it. Then it was sold to network television and again people made some controversy about it and it was pulled from that showing. Yet, it was released around the world to really tremendous reviews and in the last few years has surfaced intermittently in the United States.
It's tragic. The thing that's so sad about it is it turned out to be the last movie Sam made in Hollywood. Sam fuller, and I say this as somebody, not just a friend of Sam's, but also somewhat of a knowledgeable film fan. I don't think there's any filmmaker who over the course of his career dealt with the racial texture of the United States in as inventive and thought-provoking of a way as Sam Fuller did. Literally, when you start thinking about that aspect of it and go through his movies one after the other, he deals with the ethnic mosaic that is our country. For him to be tarred with a completely absurd charge of racism was not only unfair, but it was ridiculous. The whole point of White Dog is that racism's something that is taught. Of course, the dog is a metaphor, that it can even be taught to man's best friend. So, on the one hand it was a high point of my career, but emotionally it was really disappointing what happened to the movie and to Sam after the fact.
You know, the amazing thing, I have to say one last personal thing about Sam, the amazing thing about it is as disappointed as he was with that and other career setbacks that he had during the length of time I knew him, he never betrayed anger. Disappointment yes, but no bitterness. That was one of the inspiring things about Sammy that no matter how many hardships he faced he would just go back out to his office and his Royal Upright Typewriter and just keep on working on his scripts."

Al Edwards
09-15-2008, 05:50 PM
Coming in December.


http://www.criterion.com/asp/release.asp?id=455

John Lyons
09-15-2008, 06:06 PM
This is the best news I've heard all day! I can't wait!!!

Jeff K
09-15-2008, 06:13 PM
As I've just mentioned on the Criterion thread, I am really looking forward to seeing this film again.

Ian Z.
09-16-2008, 03:34 PM
Thanks for the news. I was wondering if this was still planned for release.

Guillaume P
09-16-2008, 04:44 PM
THE BEST DVD NEWS OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):cool:

Jeremy Slate
09-17-2008, 02:52 PM
Fantastic. I've been waiting for the official announcement on this for some time. Now if we could only get Criterion to release Crash.

Shane K
10-09-2008, 02:26 PM
Looks like the cover changed...

<img src="http://dv1.us/p1/479/096479-d2.jpg">

Guillaume P
11-25-2008, 01:43 PM
A dream comes true!...WHITE DOG on dvd,the review!:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews43/white_dog.htm

Phil B.
11-25-2008, 10:50 PM
I'm pretty excited that this is available. Sam Fuller is an old favorite and I have never seen it.

Kamyar
11-26-2008, 06:55 AM
Finally. This is probably going to be my very first Criterion release I'm gonna buy.
It's one of those movies that shaped me as a youngster. Very good.

Patrick B.
11-26-2008, 07:24 AM
This will be interesting:

- a rare 1982 interview in which Fuller interviews the canine star of the film

Kamyar
11-26-2008, 10:09 AM
I was hoping we'd get a short Kristy McNichol interview, but I guess she completely retired from everything associated with the business.

Ian Z.
11-26-2008, 11:28 AM
This will be interesting:

- a rare 1982 interview in which Fuller interviews the canine star of the film

That's just odd. Ya gotta love Criterion for digging up things like that. :)

It's a shame the DeepDiscount sale only JUST ended, otherwise I'd have snagged this already. Looks like I'll have to wait until after the holiday.

Horace Cordier
12-03-2008, 09:59 PM
Watched this last night and...

I LOVE THIS MOVIE.

I think this may be the first Fuller film I've seen and I was really taken with the man's style. He has an amazing knack for mixing the pulpy exploitation flick with the social message film. Everything is drawn in big, bold strokes but never turns into parody.

Fuller has an incredible eye for visual design here. The "gladiator dome cage" that he stages Winfield's violent training sessions with the dog are almost as cool as Kirk Douglas's antics in SPARTACUS.

Kristy McNichol is the weakest link in this chain but this is really Paul Winfield's movie. Someone likened him to Ahab with a dog instead of a whale and that nails it.

4 dogs were used for the film and their work is outstanding. Fuller stages incredible leaping attack scenes that have never been equaled in any film I've seen. The dog trainer that handled this movie talks in Criterion's text extras about how certain scenes were accomplished and its a testamant to the trainer's skill that he was able to deliver Fuller's vision perfectly.

With solid support in the cast from Burl Ives and even a cameo from Dick Miller this one is a blast. And how this film ever got construed as racist is insane. Its exactly the opposite.

Criterion's dvd is a very nice package with a good retrospective where Curtis "LA CONFIDENTIAL" Hanson has some great Fuller stories about working as a co-writer on this film.

My next stop is SHOCK CORRIDOR.

Ian F
12-03-2008, 10:19 PM
I've almost picked this up at Kim's today (well next time). I was wondering (and I know Paul Winfield is dead), but are there any interviews (video, audio, or text) that Criterion could have used of Paul for this DVD. It seems odd that his voice is silent on the movie considering the importance of his role.

Horace Cordier
12-03-2008, 10:31 PM
I've almost picked this up at Kim's today (well next time). I was wondering (and I know Paul Winfield is dead), but are there any interviews (video, audio, or text) that Criterion could have used of Paul for this DVD. It seems odd that his voice is silent on the movie considering the importance of his role.

Winfield is unfortunately MIA in all extras (as is McNichol). However, Fuller's widow, Hanson and producer Jon Davison all have a lot to say in the video supplement. The dvd also has a really good feature article in the booklet by NYC-based lunatic critic Armond White. White (as any reader of NY PRESS knows) is literally insane - but this piece actually makes sense. :D

Ian F
12-03-2008, 10:42 PM
Winfield is unfortunately MIA in all extras (as is McNichol). However, Fuller's widow, Hanson and producer Jon Davison all have a lot to say in the video supplement. The dvd also has a really good feature article in the booklet by NYC-based lunatic critic Armond White. White (as any reader of NY PRESS knows) is literally insane - but this piece actually makes sense. :D

They give any take on what Winfield felt about the film then or later on?

Horace Cordier
12-03-2008, 10:51 PM
They give any take on what Winfield felt about the film then or later on?

They said he was really enthusiastic during filming and did his own stunts buts thats about it.

Guillaume P
12-04-2008, 07:33 AM
Watched this last night and...

I LOVE THIS MOVIE.

I think this may be the first Fuller film I've seen and I was really taken with the man's style. He has an amazing knack for mixing the pulpy exploitation flick with the social message film. Everything is drawn in big, bold strokes but never turns into parody.

Fuller has an incredible eye for visual design here. The "gladiator dome cage" that he stages Winfield's violent training sessions with the dog are almost as cool as Kirk Douglas's antics in SPARTACUS.

Kristy McNichol is the weakest link in this chain but this is really Paul Winfield's movie. Someone likened him to Ahab with a dog instead of a whale and that nails it.

4 dogs were used for the film and their work is outstanding. Fuller stages incredible leaping attack scenes that have never been equaled in any film I've seen. The dog trainer that handled this movie talks in Criterion's text extras about how certain scenes were accomplished and its a testamant to the trainer's skill that he was able to deliver Fuller's vision perfectly.

With solid support in the cast from Burl Ives and even a cameo from Dick Miller this one is a blast. And how this film ever got construed as racist is insane. Its exactly the opposite.

Criterion's dvd is a very nice package with a good retrospective where Curtis "LA CONFIDENTIAL" Hanson has some great Fuller stories about working as a co-writer on this film.

My next stop is SHOCK CORRIDOR.

WHITE DOG is one of my favorite films,period.
I saw it the first time on tv when i was a kid and i remember how i was shocked and moved by the film's power!

There are so many great,powerful scenes and bits of clever direction in the film:

SPOILERS





the church scene,the attack of the truck driver,the attack on the set,the first encounter with Burl Ives and Paul Winfield (Winfied is the "Key(s)" to the problem!), all the great,disturbing,moving training scenes and of course the awesome,heartbreaking ending...i love the last shot and also Fuller's camera doing a circle shot around McNichol and her dog.
And i don't mind Kristy McNichol's performance,in fact i think she's very natural and touching....and the dog(s) is/are incredible!!!


What did you think of Morricone's score?
I think that it is very powerful,memorable and works very well with Fuller's raw and stylish images...it's beautiful and sad at the same time.


And how this film ever got construed as racist is insane. Its exactly the opposite.

oh yes,that's so silly and insane,and sadly it probably damaged Fuller's late career (his last films after WHITE DOG were cheaply produced in France)...the big shame is that WHITE DOG hasn't been released theatrically in the States!!!
I was lucky enough to catch a theatrical screening at the Paris cinematheque,a few years ago.

Ian Z.
12-04-2008, 02:11 PM
Anyone know what the differences are between the US cable version and the apparently uncut version presented here? Somehow they're not listed on the film's IMDb entry.

Matt Hamer
12-12-2008, 06:27 PM
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My favourite scene is after the dog escapes the compound and we see him going through some garbage, while just on the other side of the wall a little black boy is playing on the sidewalk. I nearly shit myself!

Guillaume P
12-13-2008, 03:04 PM
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My favourite scene is after the dog escapes the compound and we see him going through some garbage, while just on the other side of the wall a little black boy is playing on the sidewalk. I nearly shit myself!


That's a great,well composed shot!

Two others well composed,clever shots in this scene:

the dog crossing the street,just in front of the symbolic "Stop"
the effective cross cutting editing between the (soon to be revealed black) man's shoes and the dirty,black dog's paws.

Guillaume P
12-29-2008, 10:19 AM
the whole Criterion documentary is now on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD6mh4dwwdI

Steve R
01-22-2009, 10:58 PM
Powerful film.
There is more than meets the eye underneath the B style trappings that house the film. A bunch of this could have been handled in a more subtle way, but that's just not the guy's style. He snarls, just like the dog.

Some tough issues were taken on here. Winfield does a very nice job as does Ives. Both solid actors that hold the film together. Very nice set design for what looked like a low budget. The whole animal compound and training ring let the camera get some terrific shots and nice backgrounds.
Loved seeing Paul Bartel in a cameo, as the movie director in the gondola scene.

recommened - tough for dog lovers to watch at times though.:(





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There is a brief hint of something in that ending that may be reaching but one gets the sense that the dog may have mistaken Burl Ives for his original master. In the shots where the owner and his granddaughers see Kristy outside her house, he is presented in a very similar way that Burl enters the ring. Shot from below looking up - a dog's eye view. That stomach is very prominent. Almost saying that the dog knew this asshole was repsonsible for what happened to him and wants revenge. Tragically he can't tell the difference. Or did the dog just snap.

That seems to be me reading too much into it for the film, but maybe it was in the book and trickled down just enough ?

Paul Talbot
01-23-2009, 08:06 PM
Double Post

Paul Talbot
01-23-2009, 08:08 PM
There is a brief hint of something in that ending that may be reaching but one gets the sense that the dog may have mistaken Burl Ives for his original master. Almost saying that the dog knew this asshole was repsonsible for what happened to him and wants revenge. Tragically he can't tell the difference. Or did the dog just snap.
That seems to be me reading too much into it for the film, but maybe it was in the book and trickled down just enough ?

That's the way I always interpreted it, too.

Guillaume P
03-16-2010, 08:29 AM
The fabulous Morricone soundtrack will be available in April!!:):cool::

http://www.moviegrooves.com/latest-1960s-1970s-soundtrack-library-music-releases/white-dog-soundtrack-ennio-morricone-cd.html

Jonathan H.
03-16-2010, 01:11 PM
The fabulous Morricone soundtrack will be available in April!!:):cool::

http://www.moviegrooves.com/latest-1960s-1970s-soundtrack-library-music-releases/white-dog-soundtrack-ennio-morricone-cd.html

Yes, but you can buy it from the source here and NOW:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/449/White-Dog/

Ryan Clark
03-16-2010, 03:25 PM
I thought I had commented on this film when I watched it last year, but I guess not. I'd never seen a Sam Fuller movie before and I LOVED it. I was completely affected by it -- the performances, the music, everything. It's just a fabulous movie from beginning to end, and it makes me so angry to think it never got a proper theatrical release.

I showed it to my dad over Christmas, and he thought it was very good, too. We usually don't agree on movies, haha. I also recently watched The Naked Kiss and thought that was wonderful as well. I ended up buying the cheaper VCI special edition because it has some extras and the transfer is about the same as Criterion's. I hope Criterion re-masters that one soon.

I gotta check out more of Sam Fuller's movies! Which ones would you guys recommend next?

Guillaume P
03-16-2010, 03:52 PM
I thought I had commented on this film when I watched it last year, but I guess not. I'd never seen a Sam Fuller movie before and I LOVED it. I was completely affected by it -- the performances, the music, everything. It's just a fabulous movie from beginning to end, and it makes me so angry to think it never got a proper theatrical release.

I'm glad that you loved it Ryan,this awesome and stunning film surely deserves to be praised...it is really one of my favorite films.
It's really a shame that the US theatrical release was doomed because of some silly attitude towards Fuller and his film,but at least "White dog" is a cult film since its theatrical release in Europa (i was lucky to catch it on the big screen a few years ago:)) and now it is more well known thanks to the Criterion dvd.:cool:

From Fuller i also quite like "the big red one" (haven't seen the "director's cut" though)